Beendair Donedat
You sold a dead bird to a blind kid????
He shoots right handed, but plays on the left wing to maximize his ability to shoot the puck. It's one of the first moves that MSL made.
Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?
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Habs still need like 15 roster players to play better than whoever they are on the ice against on most nights…
OldCraig71
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Their owner is one of the richest men in the world, they can do it.
SlafySZN
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So, your opinion is worth more than mine?
You can’t tell me you think seriously PLD is the offensive missing piece for this team and that they’re set after that.
OnTheRun
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It's not mutually exclusive and we are relying on providence to get that fabled elite offensive talent, something that could very much never pan out.
Same old, they need to collapse first before accepting reality. (And their market in particular is heavily driven by gate revenue, so they are really not eager to start a rebuild.)
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It’s not a question of “can” and/or “should”… it’s a business.
As the saying goes - “ rich and powerful only care for? More $ and more power…”
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Because it sounds like they want to trade Dubois to us as if he was coming off his ELC and not about to leave them for nothing off FA.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
SlafySZN
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It is. Getting this guy, not only you’ll pay assets but you’d have your hands tied on what acquisitions you could do in the future. He’d help the team be better now, but not good enough and we’d be in the same situation we always were.
Draft Smith, Michkov, Leonard/Benson and build organically like they said they would few months ago. No need to go too quick.
Beendair Donedat
You sold a dead bird to a blind kid????
I didn't say that at all, I know my opinion isn't worth much, but I think you would have two very good centers in Suzuki and PLD. Implying that PLD is the "Offensive missing piece" is simply your own fabrication.
What I'm saying is that you've basically got two top notch young centers - who are still improving, and one who was on one of the most dominant lines in the NHL - and whose strengths complement each other quite well, and we'd have them signed to term on cap friendly contracts which would allow us to build a balanced team to compete.
I don't want to be the Oilers and capped out with the best two players on the planet, while just spinning their wheels year after year.
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PLD have nothing do to with who we draft or don't draft.
And you don't run a team based on something as abstract as future acquisitions, you just can't predict what your next opportunity will be and when.
SlafySZN
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They acquired Dach for him to develop into this role. There’s no hurry.
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He certainly does if we have to trade a few early round picks in a package to secure him.
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Imaginary trade aside, it still doesn't have influence on -who- we pick. In your scenario you simply don't have the selection anymore.
Grand Admiral Thrawn
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I like PLD because of his versatility since he can play C and W.
With all the injuries we keep suffering, having too many versatile top 6 players is imperative.
Thus way PLD can play RW on top Line, or LW or Center on Second Line while Dach can do the same.
Nothing more important than talented players for extra depth.
With all the injuries we keep suffering, having too many versatile top 6 players is imperative.
Thus way PLD can play RW on top Line, or LW or Center on Second Line while Dach can do the same.
Nothing more important than talented players for extra depth.
I don't think you trade for a PLD without signing Caufield first. No way do I want a player from outside the organization setting the salary bar, like Pyjama Boy did in Toronto. If we are trading assets for him, he would have to sign here for less than Caufield and Suzuki.
People have no confidence that someone might actually want to be a hab and play in montreal , back in the day I accepted an offer at half the price to work in Italy instead of New York City …. Some called me a fool . For me and to quote Lucifer “I did what my heart desire “
Look for him to sign an offer sheet with someone at a reasonable price and force them to match . Game over then
It make absolutely no sense for Dubois to sign an offer sheet. And if it was for a reasonable amount Jets just match and keep him. And if he was willing to sign with them for a reasonable amount it would have happened already.
Clearly you missed the whole point this group was trying to put forward.
Nobody (other than Columbus fans) has a problem with Dubois asking for a trade. People are worried about him giving up on his teammates, which he undoubtedly did in Columbus.
Same thing in Winnipeg, there’s no problem with him not wanting to stay there (toxic locker room and small city). After a disappointing first season and a pretty invisible playoff performance, he went back to his career average last season and was one of their best players in the first half of the season. He was pretty bad in three of those five games against the Knights and had shift probably worse than his famous one in Columbus. In the end, no other player on that team really showed up and that blame is to be shared between all of them.
In isolation, there’s nothing wrong with Dubois not wanting to stay in those markets but if you add his Cap Breton days, this is the third time Dubois wants to move out of a market because things aren’t the way he wants them to be.
Mix that with questionable performances, and I do believe there’s cause for concern. It doesn’t mean Dubois is a bad person or a bad player, but when making an acquisition that will change your team for 8 years while spending assets, you need to question all those things. Because the second he steps on foot in that locker room, all the eyes will be on him.
No doubt that he would be one of the best forward on this team and a big center who can play on the wing will always be helpful. Some do paint him as a player that he isn’t and will be disappointed at one point in time if he ever ends up in Montreal.
I don’t believe your comparisons are fair. Or provide the adequate details to understand the context of both those situations.
Eichel was Buffalo best performer years after years. He signed an 8 year extension with one of the worst markets in the NHL. Clearly he was dedicated to make it worked but has time passed Buffalo’s management failed to fulfill their promises. Again, Sabres fans have a right to be mad at him, but he was committed to make it work. Their inability to build around him caused that situation. Add the neck surgery controversy and it’s easy to understand why that relationship soured the way it did.
Tkachuk situation is similar on some points, but the players are different. He did inform his team that he wouldn’t extend with them. With Gaudreau leaving and an aging team, it was clear the Flames window was closing. Tkachuk took the opportunity to go back to the US and facilitated a trade by signing a long term contract. He did have some disappointing showings in the playoffs but his character was never in question. He didn’t give up on his teammates on the ice. He’s clearly a leader on the ice and a glue guy.
I don’t see anyone here saying Dubois is a bad player. I do share some of the concerns about spending multiple assets to acquire and extend a player that has all that smoke around him (even though I’d trade for him). He can be a fantastic human being and a great player once his here, I just don’t understand how some can’t see whats worrisome about his situation.
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BLONG7
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An offer sheet signed and then matched would mean the Jets can't trade him this year.............resulting in him walking for nothing..........nada, zipp..............
Trust me, the Jets do not want to hear about an offer sheet. Total disaster....
Sounds like we have too many good centers already. You know he can play all positions right?
He doesnt have to be THE missing piece like you say, just a piece of the equation. We don't have anything close to this guy in the pipeline, 6f4 beasts don't grow on tree and usually don't wanna play here.
Beendair Donedat
You sold a dead bird to a blind kid????
You’re right.
There’s such a large amount of time, that Dach played the majority of the year as a right winger.
Father Roy Richards
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PLD likely wants to be traded so hard to picture why he'd sign a 1-year offersheet, potentially be stuck in Winnipeg without the ability to be (hopefully) traded and sign his long term deal
But that is exactly the point , they match and keep him but can’t trade him until free agency . So he holds that power
You are correct , the last thing the jets want is an offer sheet , and especially a cheap offer is even worst . Lower return if you don’t match and nothing if you do at the deadline .
The negotiator in me think that fear is what will propulsé a reasonable trade this off-season .
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