Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[SlafySZN]

The more I think about it the more I'm inclined to say that we should wait till he's a free agent. Why give up assets? If his "dream" is to play here he will come.


Nahh there's nothing they can add. Dach ain't going anywhere, what he showed last season was very impressive.

On the jets board they really think they could get Dach. They all want him. Then someone said the habs won’t ever do that and they’re like why? He’s not that good, only 38 points they’ll need to shed salaries to make it work for Dubois.

Now he’s not that good and a throw in

 

[417]

I would not move Dach for PLD. I'm a big believer in trading for PLD and not waiting for him to hit UFA. But I always said not at any price. And Dach is not a price I'm willing to pay at this moment. To me, the goal is to add PLD to guys like Dach, Suzuki & Caufield, not replacing them.

Keep in mind, this is the Winnipeg Jets' beat writer who mentions that Dach could be an option. He's not really offering any inside info regarding him. The inside info he shares is that Habs offered Dvorak, Anderson & a 1st. I'd throw in a prospect if I have to. But not an A prospect.

From Montreal's POV, they get rid of Dvorak and Anderson, who combined over the next 2 seasons make $9.95M and then Anderson's entire $5.5M over the two following seasons comes off the books. So that would open up a lot of cap room to sign PLD.

But of course, if that was enough, the deal would have been done already.

In a “vacuum” the Dach is completely reasonable, but given the current context, no chance that's happening.

 

[Rapala]

Dach was always who they wanted. They worked for 2 months to be able to get him he is not some last minute acquisition, i don’t understand how some can’t see that, Dach fits perfectly what they wanted, age, potential and in development, perfect for a rebuild. They weren’t searching for a player near their prime.

If they wanted Dubois they would’ve find a way to get him.

So what you're saying is all this talk around Dubois happened after we acquired Dach? That isn't the way I understood the narrative and how could Dach be a perfect fit and Dubois not seeing only one of the two players had a proven record? Landing PLD would have been the bigger coup. What I can see is HuGo pursuing both dossiers and landing the one that fell into place. What does they worked on it for two months mean anyhow? They had an initial call a price was set and they had to figure out ways to make it happen. Something they obviously couldn't get done in Dubois case. How much time do you think they worked on that a day?

 

[The Great Weal]

Hughes turned down a 1st for Anderson so technically he is willing to offer 2 1sts and Dvorak for PLD? Seems like an overpayment.

I don't even see how this makes sense for the Jets who are going to be trading away PLD, Scheifele, Wheeler, and Helle this year then Ehlers and Connor next year unless they plan on flipping Anderson and Dvorak.

 

[SlafySZN]

So what you're saying is all this talk around Dubois happened after we acquired Dach? That isn't the way I understood the narrative and how could Dach be a perfect fit and Dubois not seeing only one of the two players had a proven record? Landing PLD would have been the bigger coup. What I can see is HuGo pursuing both dossiers and landing the one that fell into place. What does they worked on it for two months mean anyhow? They had an initial call a price was set and they had to figure out ways to make it happen. Something they obviously couldn't get done in Dubois case. How much time do you think they worked on that a day?

Yes, it actually started after the draft.

And the habs are in a rebuild, what do they gain getting a player near his prime and more ‘’proven’’ in the situation they are in?
What they wanted was a young player to develop over the years who will start his prime when the team would be ready.

Dubois is not a player in development, he’s a player near his prime who’s gonna sign a big long-term contract. It’s not a fit for a rebuilding team.

 

[Rapala]

Yes, it actually started after the draft.

And the habs are in a rebuild, what do they gain getting a player near his prime and more ‘’proven’’ in the situation they are in?

What they wanted was a young player to develop over the years who will start his prime when the team would be ready.

Where was it said unequivicolly that the Dubois talks happened after the draft? I've not seen it. Dubois would have been seen as a core piece at his age.

 

[SlafySZN]

Where was it said unequivicolly that the Dubois talks happened after the draft? I've not seen it.

Ah you mean between the two teams.

We don’t even know if actual talks happened, though. It’s all speculations. Everything is speculations and exaggeration in the Dubois story.

 

[Rapala]

Ah you mean between the two teams.

We don’t even know if actual talks happened, though. It’s all speculations.

So the serious discussions the two teams had reported by Friedman amongst others was all hot air? Maybe go back and read the article I based my quote on and then explain to me what numerous talks over the summer means.

 

[BLONG7]

Ah you mean between the two teams.

We don’t even know if actual talks happened, though. It’s all speculations. Everything is speculations and exaggeration in the Dubois story.

Certain media, in Montreal...............create crazy stories at times, that may or may not hold any water at all..............specualation is the basis for many many stories when you are talking the habs in print, radio and TV shows....

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Theres no way Dubois doesnt sign an extension if we trade for him


pretty sure most of it indicates that he wants to play for the Habs we didnt start this rumour this started awhile ago when the Winnipeg reporter said Dubois has been telling hes entourage that he wants to play for the Habs Jets fans laughed about it until PLD came out and refused an extension with Winnipeg theres zero evidence hes waiting to become a UFA all he said was that he wont extend with Winnipeg

Signing short term deals IS evidence he wants to reach FA asap

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I'll make a prediction

If Dubois comes here, it'll take less than two years for the fanbase to turn on him because of his inconsistency and sulking whenever it doesnt go his way. There will be a small contingent of die hard PLD fanboys who will defend him tooth n nail versus the onslaught of legitimate complaints and we'll have Drouin 2.0 on our hands.

My other prediction, MSL might just be a miracle worker and PLD does just fine in Montreal, but I won't be holding my breath.

 

[Andrei79]

I'll make a prediction

If Dubois comes here, it'll take less than two years for the fanbase to turn on him because of his inconsistency and sulking whenever it doesnt go his way. There will be a small contingent of die hard PLD fanboys who will defend him tooth n nail versus the onslaught of legitimate complaints and we'll have Drouin 2.0 on our hands.

My other prediction, MSL might just be a miracle worker and PLD does just fine in Montreal, but I won't be holding my breath.

I think people are ignoring the red flags. The guy simply quit with Columbus. It was unprofessional and his objective was force the GMs hand. What happens if the fans here sour on him and he has an 8 year deal ? He's a great player, but at the right price and they need to do their due diligence on him.

 

[NORiculous]

Hughes turned down a 1st for Anderson so technically he is willing to offer 2 1sts and Dvorak for PLD? Seems like an overpayment.

I don't even see how this makes sense for the Jets who are going to be trading away PLD, Scheifele, Wheeler, and Helle this year then Ehlers and Connor next year unless they plan on flipping Anderson and Dvorak.

Does Dvorak even have value at this point… or is he a negative?

He is taking up a roster spot. He isn’t worth his salary. He can’t drive possession. Doesn’t play very hard minutes. I know I will be happy when he leaves.

An argument can be made. That’s what I would do If I was Winnipeg and the Habs included him in an offer.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Does Dvorak even have value at this point… or is he a negative?

He is taking up a roster spot. He isn’t worth his salary. He can’t drive possession. Doesn’t play very hard minutes. I know I will be happy when he leaves.

An argument can be made. That’s what I would do If I was Winnipeg and the Habs included him in an offer.

He has value - not as much as we paid for him (he didn't have that value then). You just gotta find the right competitive situation for him, as a 3C on a contending team, his salary isn't an issue and there's plenty of contending teams lacking depth down the middle.

Best case is taking back a bad contract with him and turning the 2nd round pick valuation to a 1st.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Pierre-Luc Dubois : Les Jets auraient demandé Nick Suzuki en échange

Ah oui?

www.danslescoulisses.com

IMO , the package of Dvorak, Anderson, and a 1st is a lowball offer for PLD, but yeah , Winnipeg are dreaming if they think we'll trade them Suzuki . kirby dach is a no go as far as i'm concern so can you imagime how much of a no go Suzuki is.

Jets are funny hahahahaha

 

[Doublechin]

I'll make a prediction

If Dubois comes here, it'll take less than two years for the fanbase to turn on him because of his inconsistency and sulking whenever it doesnt go his way. There will be a small contingent of die hard PLD fanboys who will defend him tooth n nail versus the onslaught of legitimate complaints and we'll have Drouin 2.0 on our hands.

My other prediction, MSL might just be a miracle worker and PLD does just fine in Montreal, but I won't be holding my breath.

0 doubts

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Signing short term deals IS evidence he wants to reach FA asap

the whole point of him reaching FA was because he wants to join the Habs if we trade for him hes obviously gonna extend with us

Have you not been hearing insiders talk about it this past year? i mean one insider is most probably bullshit but when you have all of it and even Friedman talking numbers like 95% he joins the Habs this cant be just a rumour anymore even Lebrun said the whole hockey world knows Dubois wants to go the Montreal

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

the whole point of him reaching FA was because he wants to join the Habs if we trade for him hes obviously gonna extend with us

Have you not been hearing insiders talk about it this past year? i mean one insider is most probably bullshit but when you have all of it and even Friedman talking numbers like 95% he joins the Habs this cant be just a rumour anymore

You have too much trust in what a player or player agent says. It all comes from there and I feel a ploy, a lever being created to raise the ante when the time comes.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

You have too much trust in what a player or player agent says. It all comes from there and I feel a ploy, a lever being created to raise the ante when the time comes.

And how exactly his he trying to raise hes value after quitting in Columbus refusing to extend with the team that traded for him or telling hes entourage he wants to sign with the habs ? All those lower hes value not the opposite

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

And how exactly his he trying to raise hes value after quitting in Columbus refusing to extend with the team that traded for him or telling hes entourage he wants to sign with the habs ? All those lower hes value not the opposite

Because if another team wants him, the agent is hoping to start a bidding war.

 

[The Great Weal]

Does Dvorak even have value at this point… or is he a negative?

He is taking up a roster spot. He isn’t worth his salary. He can’t drive possession. Doesn’t play very hard minutes. I know I will be happy when he leaves.

An argument can be made. That’s what I would do If I was Winnipeg and the Habs included him in an offer.

Ya he has value, likely a 2nd. He's a vanilla 3C.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

The group that wants nothing to do with Dubois says he's not a player a team wins with and they use 2 arguments:
- Dubois requested a trade, he's a quitter, a locker-room cancer
- He wasn't dominant in in the playoffs the last 2 series he played

This is funny because we are seeing a Vegas team led by Eichel vs a Florida team led by Tkachuk in the finals.

Eichel requested a trade and refused to report to the Sabres, and now he led Vegas to the finals and made them the best team in the West during the regular season.

Tkachuk told the Flames he wasn't going to re-sign with them and he was a ghost in the playoffs in previous years, and now he carried the Panthers to the playoffs and to the finals.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

The group that wants nothing to do with Dubois says he's not a player a team wins with and they use 2 arguments:
- Dubois requested a trade, he's a quitter, a locker-room cancer
- He wasn't dominant in in the playoffs the last 2 series he played

This is funny because we are seeing a Vegas team led by Eichel vs a Florida team led by Tkachuk in the finals.

Eichel requested a trade and refused to report to the Sabres, and now he led Vegas to the finals and made them the best team in the West during the regular season.

Tkachuk told the Flames he wasn't going to re-sign with them and he was a ghost in the playoffs in previous years, and now he carried the Panthers to the playoffs and to the finals.

AND PLD is WAY WAY better than those guys....

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

AND PLD is WAY WAY better than those guys....

Why would PLD need to be as good when he's not going to cost anywhere near the same?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Kind of impressed this thread is still going strong.