Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Sterling Archer]

Habs are holding all the cards with the Jets when it comes to PLD. If jets don't take the equivilent of what an offersheet would be, they can just offer sheet PLD up to $6.3M and Jets can't match. If they do match, then they can't trade him and lose him anyways as a UFA.

Given this, I don't know why Dach would ever be involved in any trade with the Jets. They can offer a 1st & a 3rd equivilent for PLD and sit back to see what Jets do. They can trade him to another team for a slightly larger package but I can't imagine a team would pay much more with no extension and PLDs apparent wish to play for the Habs. It'd be a waste of assets for a one and done.

Over $4,201,488 to $6,302,230

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[Sorinth]

If they trade Dach for Dubois I'm done with this management!

Like I said earlier there's no way Hughes does that, but a contender could conceivably give up a Dach level player for Dubois which is no doubt what Winnipeg is hoping for and maybe holding out for.

Habs are holding all the cards with the Jets when it comes to PLD. If jets don't take the equivilent of what an offersheet would be, they can just offer sheet PLD up to $6.3M and Jets can't match. If they do match, then they can't trade him and lose him anyways as a UFA.

Given this, I don't know why Dach would ever be involved in any trade with the Jets. They can offer a 1st & a 3rd equivilent for PLD and sit back to see what Jets do. They can trade him to another team for a slightly larger package but I can't imagine a team would pay much more with no extension and PLDs apparent wish to play for the Habs. It'd be a waste of assets for a one and done.

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Winnipeg can take Dubois to arbitration which prevents an offer sheet from being made and allows them to trade him whenever they want.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Like I said earlier there's no way Hughes does that, but a contender could conceivably give up a Dach level player for Dubois which is no doubt what Winnipeg is hoping for and maybe holding out for.


Winnipeg can take Dubois to arbitration which prevents an offer sheet from being made and allows them to trade him whenever they want.

Then that risks them losing arbitration and blowing up their very tight cap structure. That would be a very high risk option for them not to mention a higher salary would make moving it at the deadline that much harder and be a continued team distraction. Also, if they are contending, they wouldn’t move him anyways. It’s just creating more problems for nothing.

It’s much easier for a team like the Jets to make the moves in the offseason and build their team for the next season. That’s why I think PLD gets traded this offseason and it’ll be to the Habs. Happy to place a friendly wager on that.

 

[Sorinth]

Then that risks them losing arbitration and blowing up their very tight cap structure. That would be a very high risk option for them not to mention a higher salary would make moving it at the deadline that much harder and be a continued team distraction. Also, if they are contending, they wouldn’t move him anyways. It’s just creating more problems for nothing.

It’s much easier for a team like the Jets to make the moves in the offseason and build their team for the next season. That’s why I think PLD gets traded this offseason and it’ll be to the Habs. Happy to place a friendly wager on that.

The best option for them is for sure to deal him at the draft. But if they can't get a deal they like it's far better for them to go to arbitration take whatever 1year deal gets awarded and then look to trade him during the season. There's no chance they let him get to a point where he can sign an offersheet.

 

[Belial]

Then that risks them losing arbitration and blowing up their very tight cap structure. That would be a very high risk option for them not to mention a higher salary would make moving it at the deadline that much harder and be a continued team distraction. Also, if they are contending, they wouldn’t move him anyways. It’s just creating more problems for nothing.

It’s much easier for a team like the Jets to make the moves in the offseason and build their team for the next season. That’s why I think PLD gets traded this offseason and it’ll be to the Habs. Happy to place a friendly wager on that.

Someone said Beck+Florida's first and Norlinder and I think they'll even go Harris to make it done.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I would not move Dach for PLD. I'm a big believer in trading for PLD and not waiting for him to hit UFA. But I always said not at any price. And Dach is not a price I'm willing to pay at this moment. To me, the goal is to add PLD to guys like Dach, Suzuki & Caufield, not replacing them.

Keep in mind, this is the Winnipeg Jets' beat writer who mentions that Dach could be an option. He's not really offering any inside info regarding him. The inside info he shares is that Habs offered Dvorak, Anderson & a 1st. I'd throw in a prospect if I have to. But not an A prospect.

From Montreal's POV, they get rid of Dvorak and Anderson, who combined over the next 2 seasons make $9.95M and then Anderson's entire $5.5M over the two following seasons comes off the books. So that would open up a lot of cap room to sign PLD.

But of course, if that was enough, the deal would have been done already.

 

[sampollock]

I bet if PLD wants to go the UFA way, I bet Kent moves on from him

 

[Andrei79]

I would not move Dach for PLD. I'm a big believer in trading for PLD and not waiting for him to hit UFA. But I always said not at any price. And Dach is not a price I'm willing to pay at this moment. To me, the goal is to add PLD to guys like Dach, Suzuki & Caufield, not replacing them.

Keep in mind, this is the Winnipeg Jets' beat writer who mentions that Dach could be an option. He's not really offering any inside info regarding him. The inside info he shares is that Habs offered Dvorak, Anderson & a 1st. I'd throw in a prospect if I have to. But not an A prospect.

From Montreal's POV, they get rid of Dvorak and Anderson, who combined over the next 2 seasons make $9.95M and then Anderson's entire $5.5M over the two following seasons comes off the books. So that would open up a lot of cap room to sign PLD.

But of course, if that was enough, the deal would have been done already.

Trading Dach for PLD is something I would expect from previous management. It would definitely erode my confidence in them.

 

[Belial]

Trading Dach for PLD is something I would expect from previous management. It would definitely erode my confidence in them.

Lmao can you tell us what that trade was?

 

[Adam Michaels]

Trading Dach for PLD is something I would expect from previous management. It would definitely erode my confidence in them.

It would be a bit of a head scratcher because they gave up Romanov and a 13th OA Pick just a year ago in two back-to-back trades in order to get their hands on Dach. It would be a bit of a confusing message to to do that and then a year later, they ship him out. Especially that he just had a career year and was on pace for a 53-point season. Had he shit the bed, okay. But he was a bright spot for Montreal.

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

Here is the proposal submitted by the very popular Instagram account, NHL Breakers , which features Pierre-Luc Dubois and Owen Beck .

To Montreal:


- Pierre-Luc Dubois

In Winnipeg:

- 1st choice of the Panthers
- Mattias Norlinder
- Owen Beck

Replace Beck with Kidney. We should keep Beck.

Trading Dach for PLD is something I would expect from previous management. It would definitely erode my confidence in them.

I would give up if they did that. I wouldn't watch next season.

 

[Rapala]

Apparently, the habs offered Dvorak, Anderson, and a 1st for Dubois

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I doubt they get this now. It seems Dach was the second iron in the fire at the draft and turned out to be the cheaper option. Once Hughes acquired Dach the focus shifted elsewhere and getting Dubois was not as pressing as it initially was. This drama won't be going away any time soon but the issues remain the same for me we are not in a panic to get Dubois and the cost may be too prohibitive both in terms of assets and salary as we continue to restructure.

 

[Weltschmerz]

Habs are holding all the cards with the Jets when it comes to PLD. If jets don't take the equivilent of what an offersheet would be, they can just offer sheet PLD up to $6.3M and Jets can't match. If they do match, then they can't trade him and lose him anyways as a UFA.

Given this, I don't know why Dach would ever be involved in any trade with the Jets. They can offer a 1st & a 3rd equivilent for PLD and sit back to see what Jets do. They can trade him to another team for a slightly larger package but I can't imagine a team would pay much more with no extension and PLDs apparent wish to play for the Habs. It'd be a waste of assets for a one and done.

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Pretty sure the Jets would be happy with the unprotected first round pick.

Can already see the thread on their subforum "Habs first round pick looking good".

 

[Skip Bayless]

I bet if PLD wants to go the UFA way, I bet Kent moves on from him

And rightfully so.

You only acquire him in a trade if you're a 100% sure he's going to sign asap, like Drouin.

 

[Belial]

It would be a bit of a head scratcher because they gave up Romanov and a 13th OA Pick just a year ago in two back-to-back trades in order to get their hands on Dach. It would be a bit of a confusing message to to do that and then a year later, they ship him out. Especially that he just had a career year and was on pace for a 53-point season. Had he shit the bed, okay. But he was a bright spot for Montreal.

Romanov was the 13th pick!

 

[Runner77]

Trading Dach for PLD is something I would expect from previous management. It would definitely erode my confidence in them.

In what world is that even envisaged? Oh yes, in the alternate reality where Peg writer Murat Ates stars as a hopeless homer. What a middle of the road solution.

I hope he just sticks to reporting the facts and leaves hockey negotiations to the pros.

Dach is a rare combo of attributes, is signed long term on a team friendly deal and we’re barely scratching the surface as he’s only 22. He’s not going anywhere. Nor is Nick Suzuki. We’ll take our chances on Dubois becoming a free agent if Chevaldayoff won’t budge from these types of demands.

 

[SlafySZN]

I doubt they get this now. It seems Dach was the second iron in the fire at the draft and turned out to be the cheaper option. Once Hughes acquired Dach the focus shifted elsewhere and getting Dubois was not as pressing as it initially was. This drama won't be going away any time soon but the issues remain the same for me we are not in a panic to get Dubois and the cost may be too prohibitive both in terms of assets and salary as we continue to restructure.

Dach was always who they wanted. They worked for 2 months to be able to get him he is not some last minute acquisition, i don’t understand how some can’t see that, Dach fits perfectly what they wanted, age, potential and in development, perfect for a rebuild. They weren’t searching for a player near their prime.

If they wanted Dubois they would’ve find a way to get him.

 

[SlafySZN]

Pretty sure the Jets would be happy with the unprotected first round pick.

Can already see the thread on their subforum "Habs first round pick looking good".

The habs are in a rebuild. Not giving their first round pick, especially not unprotected.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Only way I trade Dach for Dubois is if they include additional pieces on their end.

PLD had a better season , but with the way Dach evolved through the season it’s evident to me that if he can stay healthy he has a higher ceiling than PLD.

 

[salbutera]

Then why are we giving up assets at all in the middle of a rebuild if it’s a foregone conclusion that this is where he’s going? And why is he mentioning free agency? We’re leverage and if he’s looking to get overpaid, I prefer another sucker team does it as he’s overrated.

Because HuGo are trying to speed up the rebuild ..

Undercommit (Molson: “we’re rebuilding), over deliver (Gorton: “we expect that we would be active at the draft to try to push it along as much as we can”)

 

[Frenchy]

Pierre-Luc Dubois : Les Jets auraient demandé Nick Suzuki en échange

Ah oui?

www.danslescoulisses.com

IMO , the package of Dvorak, Anderson, and a 1st is a lowball offer for PLD, but yeah , Winnipeg are dreaming if they think we'll trade them Suzuki . kirby dach is a no go as far as i'm concern so can you imagime how much of a no go Suzuki is.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

In what world is that even envisaged? Oh yes, in the alternate reality where Peg writer Murat Ates stars as a hopeless homer. What a middle of the road solution.

I hope he just sticks to reporting the facts and leaves hockey negotiations to the pros.

Dach is a rare combo of attributes, is signed long term on a team friendly deal and we’re barely scratching the surface as he’s only 22. He’s not going anywhere. Nor is Nick Suzuki. We’ll take our chances on Dubois becoming a free agent if Chevaldayoff won’t budge from these types of demands.

Yes but first, that Dach-Dubois trade is unreal. Why wasting time debating on that? Yeah ?? Seriously ??
Euhhhh no, not really.

 

[Noble]

Lol Hughes isn't trading Dach for Dubois. That would be absolutely ridiculous.

If the Jets don't lower their ask, then they can trade him someone else and we can try and sign him as a UFA next summer. If Dubois wants to sign somewhere else, oh well.

No way am I giving up a core player or a blue chip prospect in this trade. Not a chance.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I'm so happy we have management with a brain who can actually speak the english and french language and have a semblance of actual education.

I'm 100% not worried about overpaying for PLD with the people in charge now.

Can that good faith be destroyed ? Sure , but as it stands I have full confidence in HuGo to not make a dumb move that a fefan who takes antichambre as gospel would do

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

In what world is that even envisaged? Oh yes, in the alternate reality where Peg writer Murat Ates stars as a hopeless homer. What a middle of the road solution.

I hope he just sticks to reporting the facts and leaves hockey negotiations to the pros.

Dach is a rare combo of attributes, is signed long term on a team friendly deal and we’re barely scratching the surface as he’s only 22. He’s not going anywhere. Nor is Nick Suzuki. We’ll take our chances on Dubois becoming a free agent if Chevaldayoff won’t budge from these types of demands.

The more I think about it the more I'm inclined to say that we should wait till he's a free agent. Why give up assets? If his "dream" is to play here he will come.

Only way I trade Dach for Dubois is if they include additional pieces on their end.

PLD had a better season , but with the way Dach evolved through the season it’s evident to me that if he can stay healthy he has a higher ceiling than PLD.

Nahh there's nothing they can add. Dach ain't going anywhere, what he showed last season was very impressive.