Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Belial]

Florida's first+Beck+Norlinder for 8 years of Dubois on a decent deal? Where do I sign?

 

[26Mats]

Florida's first+Beck+Norlinder for 8 years of Dubois on a decent deal? Where do I sign?

Because we have Suzuki and Dach, and hopefully Dubois on the way, Back is probably expendable and one of our best trade chips.

Still he may be one of those guys that really helps you win in the playoffs, like a Gourde or Claude Lemieux.

Hoping for Dubois and a really good 5th overall pick to secure the future top 6. Then we can worry more about the depth guys.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Apparently, the habs offered Dvorak, Anderson, and a 1st for Dubois

 

[sampollock]

Man this drama of PLD needs to end soon.... the draft should be good

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Apparently, the habs offered Dvorak, Anderson, and a 1st for Dubois

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i dont think management will include Dach after hes season with us hes potentiel is huge

would love Dvorak,Anderson ( if he waives ) and Florida or Calgary's 1st hopefully that works out this summer

Man this drama of PLD needs to end soon.... the draft should be good

it will on draft day

 

[Captain Mountain]

Apparently, the habs offered Dvorak, Anderson, and a 1st for Dubois

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I feel like Montreal's had that offer on the table for a while and its likely the best basis of an offer they'd consider. Hard to see why Montreal would offer Dach, let alone Suzuki, for Dubois.

 

[nhlfan9191]

it will on draft day

Doubt it very much. PLD wants to test UFA which means we’ll be having these conversations for another year.

 

[Belial]

Doubt it very much. PLD wants to test UFA which means we’ll be having these conversations for another year.

Do you really think if he's traded here he will not sign an extension right away? Come on man...

The Habs won't even trade for him if they don't have the guarantee that he signs an extension.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Do you really think if he's traded here he will not sign an extension right away? Come on man...

The Habs won't even trade for him if they don't have the guarantee that he signs an extension.

People who are standing all excited waiting for that trade to happen are going to be disappointed because like you said, if there isn’t an extension in place it won’t happen. And PLD has pulled every string possible to make sure he hits UFA as early as possible. Why would he throw it away with one year to go? Because some of our fanbase thinks he’s a bigger fan of the Habs then a paycheque? Wake up. Everything he’s said and done indicates there is no hometown discount here.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Doubt it very much. PLD wants to test UFA which means we’ll be having these conversations for another year.

Theres no way Dubois doesnt sign an extension if we trade for him

People who are standing all excited waiting for that trade to happen are going to be disappointed because like you said, if there isn’t an extension in place it won’t happen. And PLD has pulled every string possible to make sure he hits UFA as early as possible. Why would he throw it away with one year to go? Because some of our fanbase thinks he’s a bigger fan of the Habs then a paycheque? Wake up. Everything he’s said and done indicates there is no hometown discount here.

pretty sure most of it indicates that he wants to play for the Habs we didnt start this rumour this started awhile ago when the Winnipeg reporter said Dubois has been telling hes entourage that he wants to play for the Habs Jets fans laughed about it until PLD came out and refused an extension with Winnipeg theres zero evidence hes waiting to become a UFA all he said was that he wont extend with Winnipeg

 

[OnTheRun]

Theres no way Dubois doesnt sign an extension if we trade for him

It's more like the Habs won't trade for him if he isn't willing to commit long-term.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Theres no way Dubois doesnt sign an extension if we trade for him

That’s not the point. You sound sure something’s going to happen on draft day. I countered your point with PLD isn’t going to extend therefore there’s no trade to be made.

 

[Belial]

People who are standing all excited waiting for that trade to happen are going to be disappointed because like you said, if there isn’t an extension in place it won’t happen. And PLD has pulled every string possible to make sure he hits UFA as early as possible. Why would he throw it away with one year to go? Because some of our fanbase thinks he’s a bigger fan of the Habs then a paycheque? Wake up. Everything he’s said and done indicates there is no hometown discount here.

I mean the whole idea is that he was always trying to get to UFA so that he can sign with the Habs...

It's his childhood dream apparently.

To play for the Canadiens.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Theres no way Dubois doesnt sign an extension if we trade for him


pretty sure most of it indicates that he wants to play for the Habs we didnt start this rumour this started awhile ago when the Winnipeg reporter said Dubois has been telling hes entourage that he wants to play for the Habs Jets fans laughed about it until PLD came out and refused an extension with Winnipeg theres zero evidence hes waiting to become a UFA all he said was that he wont extend with Winnipeg

More like the reverse, you don't trade for him if he doesn't come with an agreed extension at a cap you can live eith

 

[nhlfan9191]

I mean the whole idea is that he was always trying to get to UFA so that he can sign with the Habs...

It's his childhood dream apparently.

To play for the Canadiens.

Then why are we giving up assets at all in the middle of a rebuild if it’s a foregone conclusion that this is where he’s going? And why is he mentioning free agency? We’re leverage and if he’s looking to get overpaid, I prefer another sucker team does it as he’s overrated.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

That’s not the point. You sound sure something’s going to happen on draft day. I countered your point with PLD isn’t going to extend therefore there’s no trade to be made.

oh hes getting traded it might not be on draft day but hes 100% gone Jets wont lose him for nothing and from what we keep hearing from insiders is that Montreal is where he wants to play so no he wont wait to become a UFA if we get him via trade this summer

 

[Belial]

Then why are we giving up assets at all in the middle of a rebuild if it’s a foregone conclusion that this is where he’s going? And why is he mentioning free agency? We’re leverage and if he’s looking to get overpaid, I prefer another sucker team does it as he’s overrated.

To avoid market escalation?

To sign him to a decent contract?

I can dream about playing somewhere but if I have another team offering quite some more cash I will probably think about it twice...

 

[Hannibal]

Sounds like a Jets reporter trying to get his wish. No way we trade Dach for Dubois and no way Jets get a « Dach » level of return from any other team, knowing dubois’s intentions.

Dvorak, Anderson and a first might be what Hughes offered.
Chevy might have countered with Dach.
They will meet somewhere in the middle.

Like a first, prospect and roster player not named Dach.

 

[nhlfan9191]

oh hes getting traded it might not be on draft day but hes 100% gone Jets wont lose him for nothing and from what we keep hearing from insiders is that Montreal is where he wants to play so no he wont wait to become a UFA if we get him via trade this summer

Of course the Jets are going to sell him. But it will be as a rental. And we will have no interest if it doesn’t come with an extension that makes sense, which from him own comments sounds like it won’t happen. Why wouldn’t he test the market? Why do you think he’s just going to flush money down the toilet because we’re willing to trade for him? Trading for him means nothing if there’s no extension in place.

Of course the Jets are going to sell him. But it will be as a rental. And we will have no interest if it doesn’t come with an extension that makes sense, which from him own comments sounds like it won’t happen. Why wouldn’t he test the market? Why do you think he’s just going to flush money down the toilet because we’re willing to trade for him? Trading for him means nothing if there’s no extension in place.

To avoid market escalation?

To sign him to a decent contract?

I can dream about playing somewhere but if I have another team offering quite some more cash I will probably think about it twice...

That sounds all fine and dandy for us. It’s not reality. The player still has to want to come here for money and assets that make sense.

 

[Sorinth]

Sounds like a Jets reporter trying to get his wish. No way we trade Dach for Dubois and no way Jets get a « Dach » level of return from any other team, knowing dubois’s intentions.

Dvorak, Anderson and a first might be what Hughes offered.
Chevy might have countered with Dach.
They will meet somewhere in the middle.

Like a first, prospect and roster player not named Dach.

There's no way we give up Dach, but it's something a contender might consider giving up a similar level player if they think Dubois can put them over the top. For example the NYR could conceivably offer Chytil for Dubois.

 

[Captain97]

There's no way we give up Dach, but it's something a contender might consider giving up a similar level player if they think Dubois can put them over the top. For example the NYR could conceivably offer Chytil for Dubois.

I have trouble seeing a contender trading a young, big, fast, skilled C/RW on a team friendly contract for 3 more years.

If anything I'd argue Dach has more value on an open trade market because of his contract. If he matches his production pace from last year that's 54 points.

What's a 54 point 6'4 C/RW on a 3.3 million AAV for 3 more years worth vs a 1 year 70 point 6'4 rental C at ~6 million.

 

[Sorinth]

To avoid market escalation?

To sign him to a decent contract?

I can dream about playing somewhere but if I have another team offering quite some more cash I will probably think about it twice...

Yeah it's really not a hard concept. If Dubois has a single contract offer he likes from a team he likes he will sign it, if he has multiple contract offers he likes from teams he likes he'll choose one and it's likely going to be the one for the most money. So by trading for him you ensure that Dubois only has that one offer on the table which he's willing to sign. If you wait till he's UFA you end up with one of many contracts he's willing to sign and so have little guarantee to get him unless you overpay to make your offer stand above the others. And no one here wants to overpay for him.

 

[Sorinth]

I have trouble seeing a contender trading a young, big, fast, skilled C/RW on a team friendly contract for 3 more years.

If anything I'd argue Dach has more value on an open trade market because of his contract. If he matches his production pace from last year that's 54 points.

What's a 54 point 6'4 C/RW on a 3.3 million AAV for 3 more years worth vs a 1 year 70 point 6'4 rental C at ~6 million.

The simple answer is how much they've proven. Dach hasn't proven he can be a 50+ point center because he's never done it, Dubois has proven he can be a 60+ point center and has done it multiple times.

 

[Captain97]

The simple answer is how much they've proven. Dach hasn't proven he can be a 50+ point center because he's never done it, Dubois has proven he can be a 60+ point center and has done it multiple times.

I'm not arguing Dubois isn't better at the moment because he is.

But in a hard cap league with a stagnant cap. I was saying because Dach costs about half what Dubois will and is locked up for 3 more years.

I was arguing to a contender he may be a more valuable piece. The thought was based in what Tampa has paid for middle six guys on good contracts vs 1 year top 6 rentals.

 

[Belial]

The simple answer is how much they've proven. Dach hasn't proven he can be a 50+ point center because he's never done it, Dubois has proven he can be a 60+ point center and has done it multiple times.

If they trade Dach for Dubois I'm done with this management!