Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Omar]

That's an easy yes for me. We have the prospect depth to do that and not be hurting too much. I like Beck a lot but you have to give something to get something.

Not in this case. Wait one season.

 

[BergevinBurner]

Not in this case. Wait one season.

But what if we wait one season, then [insert team here] offers him a 7x10 million contract?

Tavares wanted to go to Toronto, but the Leafs still had to overpay him to compete with the offers from other teams.

 

[HABitual Fan]

But what if we wait one season, then [insert team here] offers him a 7x10 million contract?

Tavares wanted to go to Toronto, but the Leafs still had to overpay him to compete with the offers from other teams.

You tell him to sign there, and even give him a free Habs pen to do it. Any GM offering over 8 for him is screwing over their own team's ability to compete, not improving it.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

But what if we wait one season, then [insert team here] offers him a 7x10 million contract?

Tavares wanted to go to Toronto, but the Leafs still had to overpay him to compete with the offers from other teams.

Then we don't make the mistake Toronto did and overpay for something not worth that amount because "he wants to play for his childhood team."

PLD isn't worth 10M, period. If he wants that kind of money, let someone else give it to him.

 

[Scriptor]

Then we don't make the mistake Toronto did and overpay for something not worth that amount because "he wants to play for his childhood team."

PLD isn't worth 10M, period. If he wants that kind of money, let someone else give it to him.

I don't think anyone is suggesting to match 10M, but, rather, suggesting that Dubois, on the open market, likely doesn't end up in Montreal, whereas he would have to have a reasonable deal in place for Montreal to trade for him in the first place, avoiding a bidding war where folly from some GM would screw things up.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Asking dubois to come with a team friendly contract in place during the trade is just wishful thinking, why would he do that? He should just milk some dumb GM for generational wealth.

If he does that i'll eat crow but until he does I just see him as using Montreal as leverage for a quick public way out of the PEG

 

[OnTheRun]

Asking dubois to come with a team friendly contract in place during the trade is just wishful thinking, why would he do that? He should just milk some dumb GM for generational wealth.

If he does that i'll eat crow but until he does I just see him as using Montreal as leverage for a quick public way out of the PEG

I'm pretty sure neither team friendly deal or generational wealth are in play here, so it's kinda moot.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I'm pretty sure neither team friendly deal or generational wealth are in play here, so it's kinda moot.

Understandable , Some people are also afraid of the dreaded *market value* number guys these days are getting

 

[FerrisRox]

Here is the proposal submitted by the very popular Instagram account, NHL Breakers , which features Pierre-Luc Dubois and Owen Beck .

To Montreal:


- Pierre-Luc Dubois

In Winnipeg:

- 1st choice of the Panthers
- Mattias Norlinder
- Owen Beck

Pass.

Absolutely not.

 

[FerrisRox]

But what if we wait one season, then [insert team here] offers him a 7x10 million contract?

Tavares wanted to go to Toronto, but the Leafs still had to overpay him to compete with the offers from other teams.

Then he goes to that other team.

The notion that trading for him a year early will somehow make him affordable to sign is just fantasyland stuff.

The price to extend him is going to be the same, either its a number Montreal can stomach of it's not, but there's isn't some secret cheat code where you trade for him months before he's unrestricted free agent and then somehow an eighth year on his contract makes him give the team a big discount.

I don't think anyone is suggesting to match 10M, but, rather, suggesting that Dubois, on the open market, likely doesn't end up in Montreal, whereas he would have to have a reasonable deal in place for Montreal to trade for him in the first place, avoiding a bidding war where folly from some GM would screw things up.

This is fantasyland stuff.

Montreal's ability to sign him long term doesn't magically change because they trade assets away for him.

Dubois doesn't suddenly forget he's months away from free agency because the Canadiens trade for his rights. He doesn't suddenly feel like he owes them a good deal because they traded for him.

 

[Jack Skellington]

I'm sure we had chats with him when he was RFA. Either sign and trade or UFA / f*** off. Fine with any of these options

 

[BLONG7]

A good palyer guys, but a 60 pt player....................will say it again, easy with the 10M talk.....

7.5M-8.5M Max..................

 

[sampollock]

A good palyer guys, but a 60 pt player....................will say it again, easy with the 10M talk.....

7.5M-8.5M Max..................

PLD is not. 10 mill guy

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Link to where HE says all of that publically please

There isn’t one, but there is a 157 page thread claiming he said it a bunch of times.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I don’t want him even as a UFA. He’s not an 8m dollar player on winning team. He’s Anna hot preventing you from getting that 8m dollar winning player.

This guy does absolutely nothing for me and he’s a head case to boot.

Here is the proposal submitted by the very popular Instagram account, NHL Breakers , which features Pierre-Luc Dubois and Owen Beck .

To Montreal:


- Pierre-Luc Dubois

In Winnipeg:

- 1st choice of the Panthers
- Mattias Norlinder
- Owen Beck

It’s an overpay of a 1st rounder, Norlinder and beck, so it’s a no.

 

[Andrei79]

I don’t want him even as a UFA. He’s not an 8m dollar player on winning team. He’s Anna hot preventing you from getting that 8m dollar winning player.

This guy does absolutely nothing for me and he’s a head case to boot.


It’s an overpay of a 1st rounder, Norlinder and beck, so it’s a no.

What's Norlinders actual value ? I would guess it would be future considerations. This deal comes down to a first and Beck. Unless Winnipeg intends to rebuild they say no. If they do, maybe, but that first is basically a high second.

 

[sampollock]

If there going to do this, then do it Kent

 

[jrom]

Maybe the issue isn't the assets involved, it's for how much PLD would sign for a long term deal in MTL. His agent is Brisson same as Caufield & Zegras.

If I'm HuGo I'm not in any hurry to sign Caufield before Zegras is signed (as Caufield should earn less) and for the Habs you kinda have to decide what PLD is worth compared to Caufield if you want to sign both long term

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Here is the proposal submitted by the very popular Instagram account, NHL Breakers , which features Pierre-Luc Dubois and Owen Beck .

To Montreal:


- Pierre-Luc Dubois

In Winnipeg:

- 1st choice of the Panthers
- Mattias Norlinder
- Owen Beck

If PLD is extended with a team friendly deal, I’d do it. The Panthers pick is gonna be in the 30s. Beck is a solid player but he’s not a top sixer and pretty easily replaced. Norlinder is probably a bottom pairing guy at best. 3 middling pieces for PLD would be fine by me.

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

Then we don't make the mistake Toronto did and overpay for something not worth that amount because "he wants to play for his childhood team."

PLD isn't worth 10M, period. If he wants that kind of money, let someone else give it to him.

Right , this shouldn't work like "I'm doing YOU a favor by signing, even if it's an overpayment" , if the price is fair and he wants to come, that's great. An organization should not bend over backwards to accommodate a local kids dreams of okaying for their fav team, especially not a mid tier star. If this was a 28 year old Sidney Crosby you give him a blank check and tell him to choose his worth, but this is a 60-70 point player.

He's good, he would help, but he's not doing anyone any favors if he demands to be over paid

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

But what if we wait one season, then [insert team here] offers him a 7x10 million contract?

Tavares wanted to go to Toronto, but the Leafs still had to overpay him to compete with the offers from other teams.

And Toronto was stupid to do so, imagine if they didn't sign Tavares how much better off they would be.

The Toronto/Tavares situation is even more reason to not get into a bidding war over a UFA, especially when you have young players who will command high salaries in the near future.

There's no reason to trade anything for him, nor over pay, if he wants to come when he's a UFA then he can sign a fair deal. That will be his choice for "wanting" to play for a specific franchise. I feel like if you tell an org you prefer them it gives them more leverage than you give yourself. Imagine telling a potential employer you really only wanted to work at their company and no others, doesn't that give THEM leverage when negotiating a salary? If you come to an interview and say "I really only want to work here , but I also expect to make more working here than I would at any other company" they'll tell you to kick rocks and look for better salary elsewhere. You can't have your cake and eat it too , if you're going to be very selective over who your employer is you're likely going to have to make sacrifices somewhere

 

[ReHabs]

Montreal's ability to sign him long term doesn't magically change because they trade assets away for him.

Assets are there to support the construction of the team — either as constituent parts of the team or as trade pieces to acquire those parts of the team. What is this constant fear of utilizing assets to acquire players who’d be top3 players on our roster?

 

[FerrisRox]

Assets are there to support the construction of the team — either as constituent parts of the team or as trade pieces to acquire those parts of the team. What is this constant fear of utilizing assets to acquire players who’d be top3 players on our roster?

First of all, there is no fear involved at all. I have no "fear" about anything to do with roster construction let alone "constant fear."

Secondly, I highly doubt there's even a single person who is unaware that assets are there to support the construction of the team. This isn't a revelation of any kind.

I have said - repeatedly - in this thread that my issue is with this proposed transaction centres around the notion of paying for something that will be available for free in a years time. I think it's a stupid waste of assets to pay a steep price to acquire something that you could get for free if we waited a year.

I believe the "advantage" of getting him a year earlier is minimal if not non-existent. I would much rather use the picks and prospects for Montreal's gain rather than trading them away; I would prefer the draft position we would get if we continued to develop on schedule with our own pics and projects and I think the "extra year" we could offer Dubois as a free agent is largely meaningless.

Finally, I find it utterly pointless to pretend this is a good move to make because he would be a top 3 forward on the team right now. The team is terrible and largely stripped down so being a Top 3 forward on this current iteration of the roster means very little. It's like being valedictorian of summer school.

 

[Barriwhite]

Asking dubois to come with a team friendly contract in place during the trade is just wishful thinking, why would he do that? He should just milk some dumb GM for generational wealth.

If he does that i'll eat crow but until he does I just see him as using Montreal as leverage for a quick public way out of the PEG

Spending an 8-year contract in MTL, in his prime, will generate sponsorship opportunities that will outweigh what another GM might overpay. He’s coming to MTL at around 8x8, I’m sure of it.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Spending an 8-year contract in MTL, in his prime, will generate sponsorship opportunities that will outweigh what another GM might overpay. He’s coming to MTL at around 8x8, I’m sure of it.

I'd rather not but if you say so I guess its a done deal brother