Proposal: Islanders - Kings (Greiss as Quick replacement)

[Blue Goose]

I'm sure a lot of fans are trying to figure out what the Kings should do with Quick out of the lineup, and I wanted to make a suggestion:

What about trading for Thomas Greiss?

- His $1.5M cap hit would fit into the King's cap structure
- He's UFA after the season
- He's better than Berra/Condon and he's cheaper than Pavelec/Mason/Miller
- He played well when Halak was injured
- The Islanders don't need a goalie in return (they can run with Halak / Berube), so the Kings can keep Zatkoff for expansion draft purposes and send Budaj back to Ontario

Would Kings fans be interested? And if so, what would Islanders fans expect in return for Greiss?

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[go4hockey]

I'm sure a lot of fans are trying to figure out what the Kings should do with Quick out of the lineup, and I wanted to make a suggestion:

What about trading for Thomas Greiss?

- His $1.5M cap hit would fit into the King's cap structure
- He's UFA after the season
- He's better than Berra/Condon and he's cheaper than Pavelec/Mason/Miller
- He played well when Halak was injured
- The Islanders don't need a goalie in return (they can run with Halak / Berube), so the Kings can keep Zatkoff for expansion draft purposes and send Budaj back to Ontario

Would Kings fans be interested? And if so, what would Islanders fans expect in return for Greiss?

If they want more than a mid round pick the Kings should stay away. We need to quit tossing picks and prospects at this or we're going to have a decade plus long rebuild.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

I'm sure a lot of fans are trying to figure out what the Kings should do with Quick out of the lineup, and I wanted to make a suggestion:

What about trading for Thomas Greiss?

- His $1.5M cap hit would fit into the King's cap structure
- He's UFA after the season
- He's better than Berra/Condon and he's cheaper than Pavelec/Mason/Miller
- He played well when Halak was injured
- The Islanders don't need a goalie in return (they can run with Halak / Berube), so the Kings can keep Zatkoff for expansion draft purposes and send Budaj back to Ontario

Would Kings fans be interested? And if so, what would Islanders fans expect in return for Greiss?

I'm sure LA would be interested as long as what they have to give up is a 3rd rounder or a "B" prospect.

That being said, the Islanders really can't afford to run with just Halak/Berube. Halak has a history of injuries, the team has no offensive firepower and if Jaro goes down that's a lot of pressure on Berube.

 

[hohosaregood]

If they want more than a mid round pick the Kings should stay away. We need to quit tossing picks and prospects at this or we're going to have a decade plus long rebuild.

Losing a 3rd round pick won't kill ya.

 

[Trolfoli]

Losing a 3rd round pick won't kill ya.

Why give up a 3rd round pick to "improve" the Kings draft position? Greiss isn't going to fix what's wrong with the team and get it to the playoffs.

 

[Flukeshot]

Greiss makes the most sense out of every goalie out there IMO. The Islanders need to decide who their back up is going to be and let the 3rd guy go.

 

[Flukeshot]

Why give up a 3rd round pick to "improve" the Kings draft position? Greiss isn't going to fix what's wrong with the team and get it to the playoffs.

The Kings can't give up on the season already.

 

[Blue Goose]

I'm sure LA would be interested as long as what they have to give up is a 3rd rounder or a "B" prospect.

That being said, the Islanders really can't afford to run with just Halak/Berube. Halak has a history of injuries, the team has no offensive firepower and if Jaro goes down that's a lot of pressure on Berube.

Berube is 25 years old, and is in his 6th pro season - if he's not ready to play in the event of a Halak injury, why do the Islanders continue to carry him on the roster?

Losing a 3rd round pick won't kill ya.

Exactly. This is the reason I chose Greiss, because I figure the cost can't be that great. DL should be able to part with a 3rd or a B-level prospect.

 

[Trolfoli]

The Kings can't give up on the season already.

The goalie is one problem. The next problem is the 3rd pair of Forbort/Greene/Gilbert. Then there's the Purcell/Brown/Lewis/Shore problem. 1 or 2 of those players would be fine, but not all of them.

This was going to be a development year waiting on the youth anyways. That was signaled by letting Lucic walk and bringing in Purcell. They gave up on this year in the Summer time. It's just taking people a while to figure it out.

 

[Trolfoli]

Berube is 25 years old, and is in his 6th pro season - if he's not ready to play in the event of a Halak injury, why do the Islanders continue to carry him on the roster?



Exactly. This is the reason I chose Greiss, because I figure the cost can't be that great. DL should be able to part with a 3rd or a B-level prospect.

Why? To move up a few points in the standings when they aren't a playoff team?

 

[CodeE]

Berube is 25 years old, and is in his 6th pro season - if he's not ready to play in the event of a Halak injury, why do the Islanders continue to carry him on the roster?

I ask myself the same thing.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Why? To move up a few points in the standings when they aren't a playoff team?

Losing Lucic doesn't make them not a playoff level caliber club. Lucic is a good player but the playoff fate of the Kings depend mostly on Kopitar, Carter, and Doughty. If come trade deadline time, they're still in the running and then go out and get a guy like Franson to shore up their blue line issues, they can make a decent run at it. And the price to stay in the running may be something like a 3rd for Greiss. That'd be a small price to pay. I don't think they really need to do that because I think they can make it work with Zatkoff once he gets more time in.

 

[Seph]

Berube is 25 years old, and is in his 6th pro season - if he's not ready to play in the event of a Halak injury, why do the Islanders continue to carry him on the roster?

Exactly. This is the reason I chose Greiss, because I figure the cost can't be that great. DL should be able to part with a 3rd or a B-level prospect.

Berube's being carried to be the back up in the event of a Halak injury. For obvious enough reasons, if/when Halak gets injured again, the Islanders would much rather have Greiss become the starter over Berube. At least to the point that it wouldn't be worth moving Greiss for a 3rd round pick or a B-level prospect.

I think the Islanders would be more willing to move Halak than Greiss, personally.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Losing Lucic doesn't make them not a playoff level caliber club. Lucic is a good player but the playoff fate of the Kings depend mostly on Kopitar, Carter, and Doughty. If come trade deadline time, they're still in the running and then go out and get a guy like Franson to shore up their blue line issues, they can make a decent run at it. And the price to stay in the running may be something like a 3rd for Greiss. That'd be a small price to pay. I don't think they really need to do that because I think they can make it work with Zatkoff once he gets more time in.

Kings record last season was inflated with that crazy OT record. They weren't even top 10 in regulation wins last season. Now Quick is out for 3 months (if not the entire season). The Kings have 4 top 6 forwards (5 when/if Gaborik is healthy and he wasn't even good last year either). The team has arguably the worst bottom 6 in the entire NHL. The 3rd defensive pair is absolute garbage. I don't think the Kings are one of the worst teams in the NHL as some insane Kings fans think but making the playoffs wasn't a lock before Quick's injury. Now I'd say it's less than 50-50 that they make it.

fyi, I'm not saying that because I buy into the Vancouver/Edmonton/Arizona/Calgary hype. Just think the Kings team has way too many holes. I say they finish somewhere around 86-92 points. Will that be enough for the playoffs? We'll see.

 

[Trolfoli]

Losing Lucic doesn't make them not a playoff level caliber club. Lucic is a good player but the playoff fate of the Kings depend mostly on Kopitar, Carter, and Doughty. If come trade deadline time, they're still in the running and then go out and get a guy like Franson to shore up their blue line issues, they can make a decent run at it. And the price to stay in the running may be something like a 3rd for Greiss. That'd be a small price to pay. I don't think they really need to do that because I think they can make it work with Zatkoff once he gets more time in.

No losing Lucic alone doesn't make the difference. Losing Lucic, having Shore/Dowd/Andy as your 3/4 C, Greene/Forbort as the 3rd pair, Martinez struggling a little out of the gate, makes the Kings a fringe playoff team. Maybe they can sneak in, in the Pacific. Losing Quick with the issues at forward and on D makes this a lotto team. Getting a patch in goal still has this team on the outside of the playoffs.

Why give up a 3rd to miss the playoffs and get a worse pick?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Kings record last season was inflated with that crazy OT record. They weren't even top 10 in regulation wins last season. Now Quick is out for 3 months (if not the entire season). The Kings have 4 top 6 forwards (5 when/if Gaborik is healthy and he wasn't even good last year either). The team has arguably the worst bottom 6 in the entire NHL. The 3rd defensive pair is absolute garbage. I don't think the Kings are one of the worst teams in the NHL as some insane Kings fans think but making the playoffs wasn't a lock before Quick's injury. Now I'd say it's less than 50-50 that they make it.

fyi, I'm not saying that because I buy into the Vancouver/Edmonton/Arizona/Calgary hype. Just think the Kings team has way too many holes. I say they finish somewhere around 86-92 points. Will that be enough for the playoffs? We'll see.

That point total would make the playoffs last year so they will be in the running. And if the Kings make the dance, they will have a chance depending on the matchup and what else they do. There will be good rental options for what they need. I think the best thing for them to do at this point is to run with Zatkoff and Budaj until the Pens get Murray back and then waive Condon. At that point, the Kings picking him up should keep things together in net until Quick gets back while saving assets for deadline acquisitions. I agree their bottom pairing is a big problem but if they pick up someone like Franson from the Sabres at the deadline, I think it'll be good enough for what you need in the playoffs. They may need to pick up another forward if Gaborik can't stay healthy either. It may be too many holes than what they're capable of grabbing but if they can get a cheap fix in one of those spots, the other can be taken care of at the deadline. Also have to remember that the other teams that you don't buy the hype in are going to have similar holes as well so it's going to be up for grabs.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

the positive side of me says let's do it! Greiss for a 3rd rd pick

the negative side tells me this team sucks and Greiss will only makes us lose a chance at the 1st overall pick

im so torn right now lol

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The Kings aren't a lottery team and they're not going to give up on the 50th anniversary season no matter how much some fans want it.

I love greiss, and apparently we made a pitch for him before he went to NYI, so it makes a lot of sense--but even if the Kings aren't tossing the season, they really don't have the future assets to give, and none of the current roster assets with value are really expendable (otherwise we're just band-aiding the Quick slot and opening up another wound). Chainsaw surgery.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

No losing Lucic alone doesn't make the difference. Losing Lucic, having Shore/Dowd/Andy as your 3/4 C, Greene/Forbort as the 3rd pair, Martinez struggling a little out of the gate, makes the Kings a fringe playoff team. Maybe they can sneak in, in the Pacific. Losing Quick with the issues at forward and on D makes this a lotto team. Getting a patch in goal still has this team on the outside of the playoffs.

Why give up a 3rd to miss the playoffs and get a worse pick?

The Kings 4th line isn't really an issue. Shore centering the 3rd line, yeah that can be an issue but it may only be temporary. Depends on Gaborik and how he does when he gets back. I agree that whatever combination of Greene/Forbort/Gilbert they use on the 3rd is not very good but there will be options for them there down the road if they can stay afloat until the deadline. If a 3rd is all it takes to patch things up to give yourself a shot later, that's nothing. A 3rd rounder isn't very much to pay for that. I don't think the Kings really have to do it with the goalie market right now but that's not a big deal. Now if you were talking about paying a 2nd rounder, I'd be right there with you. That's too much for a patch in net but it is a good price to pay for someone on defense when the time comes.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

The Kings 4th line isn't really an issue. Shore centering the 3rd line, yeah that can be an issue but it may only be temporary. Depends on Gaborik and how he does when he gets back. I agree that whatever combination of Greene/Forbort/Gilbert they use on the 3rd is not very good but there will be options for them there down the road if they can stay afloat until the deadline. If a 3rd is all it takes to patch things up to give yourself a shot later, that's nothing. A 3rd rounder isn't very much to pay for that. I don't think the Kings really have to do it with the goalie market right now but that's not a big deal. Now if you were talking about paying a 2nd rounder, I'd be right there with you. That's too much for a patch in net but it is a good price to pay for someone on defense when the time comes.

PIMS caused by our 4th line and our 3rd pairing D is definately an issue

let alone the fact that all 5 of them suck ballzzz

that's 5 players of a 23 man roster

it's a major issue

 

[Blue Goose]

Berube's being carried to be the back up in the event of a Halak injury. For obvious enough reasons, if/when Halak gets injured again, the Islanders would much rather have Greiss become the starter over Berube. At least to the point that it wouldn't be worth moving Greiss for a 3rd round pick or a B-level prospect.

I think the Islanders would be more willing to move Halak than Greiss, personally.

I see your point, but I'm sure Halak is tougher to move due to his contract and injury history. It's as if the Islanders are planning to protect Berube in the expansion draft and hope that LV picks Halak, so they can re-sign Greiss before he hits the market on July 1. But to me it seems like they could always take that risk even if they trade Greiss (and what if LV doesn't take Halak?).

Honestly, I was just trying to come up with a Quick replacement that might make the most sense, and I keep coming back to Greiss.

fyi, I'm not saying that because I buy into the Vancouver/Edmonton/Arizona/Calgary hype. Just think the Kings team has way too many holes. I say they finish somewhere around 86-92 points. Will that be enough for the playoffs? We'll see.

The Pacific Division is full of over-achieving teams - there's no reason to think that the Kings won't be in the mix as the season progresses. I can't see them throwing in the towel so early, especially with all of the fanfare surrounding this season (50th anniversary, All-Star Game, etc.). It's still a business, and they're in a very crowded marketplace for sports fans - I'd imagine they'd like to take advantage of the mediocrity of the Lakers right now as well.

 

[LordNeverLose]

Doubt the Isles FO is willing to trade Greiss. He's dirt cheap and carried the team last year, plus Halak and the FO seem to have a pretty strained relationship.

Halak can be had for 3rd + cap dump in final year.
Greiss would require 2nd + prospect (not that I think Kings should pay that, just that that's what it would take).

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Our problem king fans are bottom 6 players playing top six spots. We need to play top 6 skill in our top six kempe and mersch need to be in the lineup

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

The Kings 4th line isn't really an issue. Shore centering the 3rd line, yeah that can be an issue but it may only be temporary. Depends on Gaborik and how he does when he gets back. I agree that whatever combination of Greene/Forbort/Gilbert they use on the 3rd is not very good but there will be options for them there down the road if they can stay afloat until the deadline. If a 3rd is all it takes to patch things up to give yourself a shot later, that's nothing. A 3rd rounder isn't very much to pay for that. I don't think the Kings really have to do it with the goalie market right now but that's not a big deal. Now if you were talking about paying a 2nd rounder, I'd be right there with you. That's too much for a patch in net but it is a good price to pay for someone on defense when the time comes.

Even then there's too many holes. What's it going to cost to fill the 3rd line center hole? What's it going to cost to get a d-man like Franson? Kings can't keep throwing away assets in hopes of making a deep run. They don't have the roster to do it even with adding new players.

Let's just say they trade for Hanzal and Franson (best case scenario). Sorry, that roster still isn't beating the Sharks in a 7 game series. Why waste assets to try? It's more likely the Kings make trades like last season where they trade a mid-round pick for someone like Lecavalier just to make it seem like they're trying to win it all again which is fine but I'm still not buying it.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

PIMS caused by our 4th line and our 3rd pairing D is definately an issue

let alone the fact that all 5 of them suck ballzzz

that's 5 players of a 23 man roster

it's a major issue

No, it's not. Mostly because your 4th line and 3rd pair aren't actually taking many penalties. That's just exaggeration at this point. The 3rd pair sucking is the only legitimate issue to worry about for the Kings right now. That's definitely a concern but if they're able to stay in it until the deadline, they can probably address it then.