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Is tiki-taka possible in hockey?

Kshahdoo

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I mean something like a total possesion game with a lot of passes, when a team attacks only if it absolutely sure the attack will be effective. Actually, Soviet hockey looked kinda like this, but is it possible in the modern NHL?
 
Kshahdoo said:
I mean something like a total possesion game with a lot of passes, when a team attacks only if it absolutely sure the attack will be effective. Actually, Soviet hockey looked kinda like this, but is it possible in the modern NHL?
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It is possible with the former soviet players. Where are you supposed do get them now? Nobody teaches this level of hockey anymore.
 
The ice surface is too small for one team to really dominate possession the way you see in soccer sometimes. Especially considering how great everyone skates and how close the teams are in ability in the post-lockout era.
 
Eh, you could probably do it to some degree based on talent, but the smaller playing surface would deter it a great deal, not to mention there are fewer players the D has to account for (in soccer, one of the 11 guys will probably be able to find themselves open). Also, the brand of defense most teams play in hockey is way more aggressive than soccer, and there seems to be a lot more randomness in hockey in terms of change in possession.
 
Well, theoretically it's possible. I do it all the time on the video game, lol
 
Luigi Lemieux said:
The ice surface is too small for one team to really dominate possession the way you see in soccer sometimes. Especially considering how great everyone skates and how close the teams are in ability in the post-lockout era.
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Yeah, tell that the Russian 5 in the clutch and grab era.
 
There are moments where its possible but for a full game no because the margin of error for passing is alot smaller on a hockey rink and there would be a lot of turnovers. Checking also disrupts it because defenders can pin guys against the boards and interfere.
 
In hockey, yes. Team Canada does it some games. In the NHL, no. Defensive play has improved tremendously, and the gaps are tighter than ever.
 
TurdFerguson said:
In hockey, yes. Team Canada does it some games. In the NHL, no. Defensive play has improved tremendously, and the gaps are tighter than ever.
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I'd say it's not about defensive play, but rather about proper players. You need a lot of IQ and puck skill to play it. Your average 3rd-4th liners aren't good enough for it. And you won't get better players on account of the cap.
 
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Possession changes are too fluid and the rink is too small, so no.
 
no where near the level u see in soccer. u can definitely have a degree of possession based quick passing offenses but u have to also consider shift length and the fact that a puck can skip or bounce weird on chopped up ice which will lead to a turnover more than a soccer ball would on a nice grass field with so much more space.
 
Red Wings, Hawks and Lightning are as close as it gets in today's NHL; but the ice being smaller than a football pitch, the players moving faster on skates, the number of shots that have to get put on net to produce goals because the goalies take up so much more of the net than they do in soccer, and the sport just not being taught to be played with that kind of patient/creative/cultured style, means we'll never see really possession hockey the way we see Barca and Bayern playing football.
 
roboninja said:
What the hell is tika-taka?
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Tiki-taka (commonly spelled tiqui-taca [ˈtikiˈtaka] in Spanish) is a style of play in football characterised by short passing and movement, working the ball through various channels, and maintaining possession. The style is primarily associated with La Liga club Barcelona from Johan Cruyff's tenure as manager to the present, and the Spanish national team under managers Luis Aragonés and Vicente del Bosque. It was also seen under Arsène Wenger's Arsenal that won the 2003–04 FA Premier League. Tiki-taka moves away from the traditional thinking of formations in football to a concept derived from zonal play.
 
Ceremony said:
Tiki-taka (commonly spelled tiqui-taca [ˈtikiˈtaka] in Spanish) is a style of play in football characterised by short passing and movement, working the ball through various channels, and maintaining possession. The style is primarily associated with La Liga club Barcelona from Johan Cruyff's tenure as manager to the present, and the Spanish national team under managers Luis Aragonés and Vicente del Bosque. It was also seen under Arsène Wenger's Arsenal that won the 2003–04 FA Premier League. Tiki-taka moves away from the traditional thinking of formations in football to a concept derived from zonal play.
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Well how could I not have known that? :sarcasm:
 
I agree with most responses. Something approaching it is possible with a lot of skill on a team and a huge disparity in quality (equating to huge amounts possession, winning puck battles over and over, recycling the attack because the attacking team is always first to the puck, etc) but its never likely to approach anything like soccer.


I much prefer the quick, counterattacking style to the tedium of tika taka. Probably because hockey was my first love.
 
I mean it happens to an extent. A cycle in opposition zone is a form of that. But that corner/halfboard area is pretty much the only place you can really do it. If you want to get fancy with quick passes higher up in the opposition zone then the downsides of a turnover/disruption become magnified, with the possibility of good opposition scoring chance being generated. I guess a give and go play is a form of this too. But trying this in in the middle of the ice in the neutral zone then there's too many opposition guys who can use 8-10 foot reach to get sticks into the lanes from all angles (followed up with body work). This is why in general passing through the middle tends to be discouraged in all levels of hockey.
 
No. It succeeds in soccer for a variety of reasons, but mostly the fact that there is so much space, so many players, the goalie is a viable option for a pass, and there are no extensions of players' legs which make it so they can tackle you from a few feet away. Hockey players might have two passing options at a time if they're lucky, and if they slow the play down, then the defence can take those away. The only way that you can create passing lanes in hockey is through bursts of speed, but you can't expect to have players skating hard, yet not advancing up the ice.
 
No, since you can't fall down and pretend to be hurt to regain possession
 
Kesselology said:
No, since you can't fall down and pretend to be hurt to regain possession
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True; but you can fall down and pretend to be hurt to gain a man advantage as well as regaining possession! And it's much easier to get a man advantage in this sport through simulation than in football.

Not that that is actually where diving is a nuisance in football as that's not really were it is effective, diving is useful in attack areas, not at stopping counters once the ball has already been lost.
 
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