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Is this the best combination of Defensive 6D + 2 goalies in team history?

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Obviously we all well aware that our D isn't exactly filled with the likes of Paul Coffey, Brian Leetch, or Zubov, but defensively as a whole, plus the 2 goalies...

is this the best we've ever seen?

The Klein deal looks fantastic right now. He's extremely reliable out there.
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Well, a natural place to start the comparison would be the 1994 team I guess.

Both Leetch and Zubov in 1994 were better than any defenseman on the 2014 team. Then add Beukeboom, Karpotsev, Lowe, and Wells.

Leetch
Zubov
McDonagh
Staal
Beukeboom
Girardi
Stralman
Karpotsev

Klein, Moore, Lowe and Wells are hard to sort out.


Lundqvist is better than Richter. Talbot is probably better than Healy but you hope that doesn't matter.
 
The goalie combos of Richter/Beezer and Giacomin/Villemeure could be argued as better mainly because Talbot just doesn't have a lot of time in the NHL yet.

As for defense, gotta go with the 94 unit as Crease mentioned.
 
Yeah, I've got the 94 blueline, just too many hall of famers. I think John Moore is a better #6 than Lidster/Karpovtsev, but Wells is better than Klein, Lowe is better than Girardi, Zubov is better than Stralman, and Leetch is better than McDonagh.

That leaves Beuk and Stralman, I always thought Beuk was a little overrated but I think NYR fans overrate Stralman as well.
 
^^ Guess my memory of Lowe and Wells is foggy. Or my memory of Karpotsev is too rosy :laugh:
 
Crease said:
Well, a natural place to start the comparison would be the 1994 team I guess.

Both Leetch and Zubov in 1994 were better than any defenseman on the 2014 team. Then add Beukeboom, Karpotsev, Lowe, and Wells.

Leetch
Zubov
McDonagh
Staal
Beukeboom
Girardi
Stralman
Karpotsev

Klein, Moore, Lowe and Wells are hard to sort out.


Lundqvist is better than Richter. Talbot is probably better than Healy but you hope that doesn't matter.
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Defensively? I think McDonagh is better than both of them. Ahh, are you saying that specific year? That changes the argument a bit, but I'd still take McDonagh (defensively).
 
Crease said:
Well, a natural place to start the comparison would be the 1994 team I guess.

Both Leetch and Zubov in 1994 were better than any defenseman on the 2014 team. Then add Beukeboom, Karpotsev, Lowe, and Wells.

Leetch
Zubov
McDonagh
Staal
Beukeboom
Girardi
Stralman
Karpotsev

Klein, Moore, Lowe and Wells are hard to sort out.


Lundqvist is better than Richter. Talbot is probably better than Healy but you hope that doesn't matter.
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Zubov was not a better all around player than McD. Scoring numbers were much higher then. I would rank them as follows:

Leetch
McD
Staal (healthy)
Zubov
Girardi
Beukaboom
Stralman
Klein
Lowe
Karpotsev
Moore
Wells

So, three of the bottom four IMO are from the '94 team and Hank is the best goalie in the mix although Talbot is probably 4th. Leetch used to play half the game (approx) somewhat regularly because the depth was weak (and he was great).

So, I'd take this team over the '94 team in this discussion.
 
Fitzy said:
Yeah, I've got the 94 blueline, just too many hall of famers. I think John Moore is a better #6 than Lidster/Karpovtsev, but Wells is better than Klein, Lowe is better than Girardi, Zubov is better than Stralman, and Leetch is better than McDonagh.

That leaves Beuk and Stralman, I always thought Beuk was a little overrated but I think NYR fans overrate Stralman as well.
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1986 kevin Lowe was better than Girardi, not the '94 version. And the '94 version of Wells was a sheltered defenseman who is nowhere near the player Klein is now. Looking back, it's amazing how slow that group was outside of Leetch and Zubov. Lidster was a good skater but didn't play that much before the playoffs.
 
Fitzy said:
Yeah, I've got the 94 blueline, just too many hall of famers. I think John Moore is a better #6 than Lidster/Karpovtsev, but Wells is better than Klein, Lowe is better than Girardi, Zubov is better than Stralman, and Leetch is better than McDonagh.

That leaves Beuk and Stralman, I always thought Beuk was a little overrated but I think NYR fans overrate Stralman as well.
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Wait what?

By 1994 Kevin Lowe has already became Kevin SLowe.

In their primes? I agree. But not in 1994.
 
Bardof425 said:
1986 kevin Lowe was better than Girardi, not the '94 version. And the '94 version of Wells was a sheltered defenseman who is nowhere near the player Klein is now. Looking back, it's amazing how slow that group was outside of Leetch and Zubov. Lidster was a good skater but didn't play that much before the playoffs.
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Heh... beat me to it.
 
Profet said:
Wait what?

By 1994 Kevin Lowe has already became Kevin SLowe.

In their primes? I agree. But not in 1994.
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He was slow, but he dominated the ice surface when he was on it.

My memory of the run is foggy, I was only 12 at the time, but I have tapes of all the games from the NJ and Vancouver series.

One thing to remember is that being a slow blueliner at that time wasn't nearly the problem it is now.
 
Back in the 60s and early 70s, teams only dressed 5 D with only the top 4 in regular rotation. The extra D filled in here and there.

During the heart of the Francis era the Ranger D were Brad Park, Rod Seiling, Jim Neilson, and Dale Rolfe: a pretty impressive group. In 72, I believe the extra D were Gary Doak and Ab DeMarco.

Plus Giacomin and Villimuere in goal.

Can't argue to much with the 94 group, but the 72 group was pretty good.
 
Fitzy said:
He was slow, but he dominated the ice surface when he was on it.

My memory of the run is foggy, I was only 12 at the time, but I have tapes of all the games from the NJ and Vancouver series.

One thing to remember is that being a slow blueliner at that time wasn't nearly the problem it is now.
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My memory is foggy as well (I was 15). But I know one thing: McDonagh is the best of the bunch... and I'd probably put Staal/Girardi on par with Beukeboom.
 
KreiMeARiver said:
My memory is foggy as well (I was 15). But I know one thing: McDonagh is the best of the bunch... and I'd probably put Staal/Girardi on par with Beukeboom.
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Go home, you're drunk.

Leetch...

Leetch dominated like no other, at both ends of the ice, on the same shift, on every shift.
 
We don't even need to go back to 94. The D from three years ago was better before the injuries took their toll.

I take McD, Staal, Girardi, MDZ, Sauer, Stralman over the current six any day. Sauer was at least as good as Klein, and MDZ is much better than Moore.
 
smoneil said:
We don't even need to go back to 94. The D from three years ago was better before the injuries took their toll.

I take McD, Staal, Girardi, MDZ, Sauer, Stralman over the current six any day. Sauer was at least as good as Klein, and MDZ is much better than Moore.
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Pretty sure that D corp never played a game together, so I dont think that counts.
 
KreiMeARiver said:
My memory is foggy as well (I was 15). But I know one thing: McDonagh is the best of the bunch... and I'd probably put Staal/Girardi on par with Beukeboom.
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Staal is light years better than Beuk and Girardi is also better than Beuk.
 
chosen said:
Staal is light years better than Beuk and Girardi is also better than Beuk.
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Yeah I guess you're right, having actually thought about it for a minute.

I've also drank enough to fill Lake Superior and done a lot of drugs since then.
 
Different game, different roles.

You could argue that Leetch's career lasted as long as it did because of the play of Beukeboom.

On their own? Yes they are better than Beukeboom... but Beukeboom was the perfect partner for Leetch in that style game (very different from today' game).
 
Fitzy said:
He was slow, but he dominated the ice surface when he was on it.

My memory of the run is foggy, I was only 12 at the time, but I have tapes of all the games from the NJ and Vancouver series.

One thing to remember is that being a slow blueliner at that time wasn't nearly the problem it is now.
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That's true because of the clutching and grabbing that was allowed. But still by 1994 Lowe was not the player Girardi is now.
 
Jackson Ranger said:
The goalie combos of Richter/Beezer and Giacomin/Villemeure could be argued as better mainly because Talbot just doesn't have a lot of time in the NHL yet.

As for defense, gotta go with the 94 unit as Crease mentioned.
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i agree with this. I think MCD is better then Leetch in some regards but over all I don't think he is a better player.
 
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