Is there a way to make IIHF World Championship being played after SC Playoffs?

[needle]

Sure, if the US making was solely committed to any sport, they'd instantly be the biggest market in it.

I didn't know the MLS was behind the 2. Bundesliga in revenue tbh. That's surprising actually.

The US has the #1, #2, #3, #5, and #18 leagues in the world. Bow down.

 

[needle]

Does anyone have a revenue breakdown for the following? World Baseball Classic, FIBA Basketball World Cup, IIHF World Championship, World Cup of Hockey, FIFA World Cup, Cricket World Cup, Twenty20 World Cup, Rugby World Cup, Rugby Sevens World Cup, and Rugby League World Cup.

 

[malkinfan]

Why not start NHL season earlier in September, start the world championships a couple weeks later, solved. Get rid of the world cup garbage.

 

[CorgisPer60]

The IIHF World Championships exist because the rest of the world cares about them. The Stanley Cup Playoffs only really matter to North Americans. I wouldn't want to see the tournament any later than it already is, because hockey in June is already too ****ing late anyways.

 

[Xokkeu]

Why not start NHL season earlier in September, start the world championships a couple weeks later, solved. Get rid of the world cup garbage.

NHL would be competing with the NFL is most it's market. The best ticket sales for the league are Jan-March

 

[Jussi]

There is even kids now from even more obscure places (from a hockey perspective) that are decent prospects

Daniel Sprong Netherlands
Wouter Peeters Belgium
David Levin Israel
Nathan Walker Australia

Didin't exactly shine at Jokerit juniors and both agreed to part ways so not sure if he's "decent".

 

[Civetty]

Getting OT but you know when you stop and look at the numbers if the US market was solely committed to the sport of 'soccer' like the rest of Europe was then the MLS probably could pull that off.

Looking at the revenues, even just converting the NFL or MLB alone could be enough to do it:

Probably

although that's interesting. Going even more Off Topic I'm surprised to see that if you add the soccer leagues together they pretty much gives as much revenue as Football + Baseball together. Might not be fair to count it like that though.

 

[Xokkeu]

Probably

although that's interesting. Going even more Off Topic I'm surprised to see that if you add the soccer leagues together they pretty much gives as much revenue as Football + Baseball together. Might not be fair to count it like that though.

This why we Americans laugh when Europeans complain about soccer prices. MLS is one of the most expensive soccer leagues in the world for a ticket. NFL games cost $200 for a cheap seat, plus the $6 hot dog, $12 beer, liscensing right to have a seat ......

 

[holyprime]

although that's interesting. Going even more Off Topic I'm surprised to see that if you add the soccer leagues together they pretty much gives as much revenue as Football + Baseball together. Might not be fair to count it like that though.

There's also the UEFA competitions (Champions League, Europa League) which aren't even on that chart, but add another ~2 Billions to the european soccer pie.

I don't know how to translate that into the weird values on the chart tough, so it's kinda hard to compare.

On topic: It would probably be easier for the one league to adjust, than it would be if every other federation on the planet has to adjust.

 

[Atas2000]

I just wondered is there a way to make IIHF WC best-on-best tournament? Could IIHF move this tournament to say mid July which will give teams a chance to invite all best players? Just like in soccer World Cup or UEFA Euro are being played after soccer club season is over. Is this possible? Or it will never happens because beginning of NHL season would be postponed to late October in this scenario. Discuss.

Yes. There is a way. The worst hockey league in the world could just stop being a cancer to the hockey world and adjust it's schedule,just like any other league.

Right now we have a hockey community and the stupid, self-righteous bunch that is the owners board and their Gary.

 

[patnyrnyg]

LEON DRAISAITL SAYS HELLO...

...and Olaf Kolzig...

... and other good players like Goc, Grubauer, Holzer, Greiss, Rieder, Kuhnhackl, Sturm etc

And lets take current examples of players from new risers on the ice hockey scene:

Roman Josi
Nico Hischier
Nino Niederreiter
Sven Bärtschi
Mark Streit
Yannick Weber
Kevin Fiala
Franz Nielsen
Mikkel Bödker
Lars Eller
Oscar Björkstrand
Nikolai Ehlers
Jannik Hansen
Anze Kopitar
Bellemere
Roussell
Mats Zuccarello

There is even kids now from even more obscure places (from a hockey perspective) that are decent prospects

Daniel Sprong Netherlands
Wouter Peeters Belgium
David Levin Israel
Nathan Walker Australia


The second bolded part is just wow, I wrote a long message about this but had to stop myself since it almost became a long essay in principle of microeconomics. Do you really think its bettman who came up with this idea of growing a market? or that its not done with success in other sports? (look at Manchester Uniteds revenue last 15 years since going on a tour to Asia every year)

So, maybe the NHL should go on tour? But, looking at that list of names, I think you actually helped my point. Yes, Kopitar is a great player, but hardly a product of the Solvenian system as he went to Sweden when he was 16 and hardly an indicator of the benefits of "growing the game". Besides, wasn't his father a pro when it was Yugoslavia and then a coach after the break-up?

 

[Xokkeu]

So, maybe the NHL should go on tour? But, looking at that list of names, I think you actually helped my point. Yes, Kopitar is a great player, but hardly a product of the Solvenian system as he went to Sweden when he was 16 and hardly an indicator of the benefits of "growing the game". Besides, wasn't his father a pro when it was Yugoslavia and then a coach after the break-up?

Leaving at 16 doesn't make him a Swede. Patrick Kane went to Canada at 16 but he's not a product of the Canadian system.

 

[patnyrnyg]

Leaving at 16 doesn't make him a Swede. Patrick Kane went to Canada at 16 but he's not a product of the Canadian system.

I know that and Don Cherry has made that point when Americans who are high draft picks went through the CHL. Difference is, Kopitar stays in Slovenia, he may never get the chance. Same for Zucc going to Sweden. Kane could have gone USHL and then NCAA. Although, hearing him speak, not sure he would have lasted long in college.

 

[QnebO]

Stretch NHL start two weeks earlier, whc three weeks later, and its done or at least alot better. Finnish league playoffs end like week before iihf wc so it would be fine to have some more gap.

Also adjust khl season to starts two weeks later

Wouldnt hurt anyone. Few weeks here or there.

 

[Xokkeu]

I know that and Don Cherry has made that point when Americans who are high draft picks went through the CHL. Difference is, Kopitar stays in Slovenia, he may never get the chance. Same for Zucc going to Sweden. Kane could have gone USHL and then NCAA. Although, hearing him speak, not sure he would have lasted long in college.

LOL! most guys only need to pass one semester of classes.

 

[Jablkon]

I know that and Don Cherry has made that point when Americans who are high draft picks went through the CHL. Difference is, Kopitar stays in Slovenia, he may never get the chance. Same for Zucc going to Sweden. Kane could have gone USHL and then NCAA. Although, hearing him speak, not sure he would have lasted long in college.

Focusing just on Kopitar doesnt reflect picture of Slovenia imo. There are another 6,7 guys in their national team with potential or proven to be top european talent. IIHF might still not do its job right when sloveniens can not afford two teams in EBEL leagues. It would be step backwards to leave Slovenia,France, Dennmark. They dont capitalize much from it on national level but they produce interesting players. Although nobody knows how much IIHF helped them.

 

[ES]

The break what would be for players of non-playoff teams would make it too difficult. Nowadays they have basically 2½ weeks between the end of regular season and the start of WHC which can allow to take a week easily, then go to the camp and then it's tournament.

European teams mostly start their camps without top 4 teams of each league and it takes few weeks so there are not that big breaks.

Just thinking, I took a look on Canadian, US and Swedish World Cup teams. Here's how they stand regarding when their club season ended or who are still in the hunt. Pretty much showing that dream teams have lots of players from worse teams.

RS: Doughty, Muzzin, Duchene, Giroux, O'Reilly, Stamkos, Tavares
Round 1: Crawford, Price, Burns, Vlasic, Weber, Bergeron, Couture, Marchand, Thornton, Toews
Round 2: Holtby, Bouwmeester, Pietrangelo
Still playing: Crosby, Getzlaf, Perry

RS: Bishop, Quick, Schneider, Byfuglien, E.Johnson, Abdelkader, Palmieri, Wheeler
Round 1: Suter, Backes, Dubinsky, Kane, Pacioretty, Parise, Pavelski, van Riemsdyk
Round 2: Carlson, McDonagh, Niskanen, Oshie, Stepan
Still playing: Kesler

RS: Markström, Ekman-Larsson, Hedman, Strålman, Eriksson, Landeskog, D.Sedin, H.Sedin, Söderberg
Round 1: Hjalmarsson, Backlund, Krüger
Round 2: Lundqvist, Berglund, Bäckström
Still playing: Enroth*, Ekholm, Karlsson, Lindholm, Forsberg, Hagelin, Hörnqvist, Silfverberg

* Ducks property, but not in the playing roster just now.