Speculation: Is the biggest lesson here: Rookie President, Rookie GM, and Rookie Coach?

[Ianturnedbull]

What a waste of time and huge arrogance to think that this might work.

There are so many good coaches, hockey executives, etc.

Why couldn't it have been different?

Why didn't Shanny "read the tea leaves": contracts, Play-in vs Columbus, MTL, Aires, soft players, etc.

The inexperienced body of work is sloppy and it's a tale of 3 people in the management group learning on the job. There should be no learning on the job. There should be experienced people doing this work.

Just sad.

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[Lemontree]

I understand the hesitation regarding inexperience however this biggest issue with Shanny, Dubas and Keefe is their incompetency.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

The Leafs have had experienced management groups too and they were even worse.

It simply comes down to getting things done and they didn't. I don't think it was a lack of experience that did them in rather than just not wanting to pivot when it was obvious the core isn't capable of delivering results under pressure.

 

[Donnie740]

A “rookie” President/GM/Coach isn’t the issue - - look at how well Sakic, Francis and Berube have done.

The problem is when you get a rookie GM who thinks he’s invented a new formula for winning Stanley Cups and a rookie coach who’s been a lifelong troublemaking cancer.

 

[al secord]

Fletcher, Nonis, Burke, Lou, Wilson, Babcock....

 

[PROUD PAPA]

My initial reaction was, wow, that’s a bold change of pace. I really hoped it would lead to success so teams wouldn’t be in such a hurry to recycle the same people.

 

[HomelessPepper]

They'll be whining about the new GM, just give it 5 minutes after they're hired.

I don't even mind the switch to a new GM (I'd prefer Dubas, but I get wanting a different direction), but there's already like 5 anti-dubas threads. Go bitch in one of them instead of creating a new one... f***...

 

[3blizzard4]

Dont forget rookie star players. Start a rebuild that way and you got what we got.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

A “rookie” President/GM/Coach isn’t the issue - - look at how well Sakic, Francis and Berube have done.

The problem is when you get a rookie GM who thinks he’s invented a new formula for winning Stanley Cups and a rookie coach who’s been a lifelong troublemaking cancer.

You're cherry picking three names that essentially don't prove your point. Berube had NHL experience, Francis has GM experience before his current position with Seattle, and Sakic had executive experience before his current role (was executive vice-president of hockey operations).

 

[notbias]

Bednar/Sakic/Couldn't find the president
Yzerman/JBB/Cooper/Griggs

So yes, clearly that is the issue.

You're cherry picking three names that essentially don't prove your point. Berube had NHL experience, Francis has GM experience before his current position with Seattle, and Sakic had executive experience before his current role (was executive vice-president of hockey operations).

DUBAS HAS EXPERIENCE BEING A GM....................

but yes, he is cherry picking...

 

[Lauro]

What a waste of time and huge arrogance to think that this might work.

There are so many good coaches, hockey executives, etc.

Why couldn't it have been different?

Why didn't Shanny "read the tea leaves": contracts, Play-in vs Columbus, MTL, Aires, soft players, etc.

The inexperienced body of work is sloppy and it's a tale of 3 people in the management group learning on the job. There should be no learning on the job. There should be experienced people doing this work.

Just sad.

Bla, bla, bla ...

 

[Leafs87]

What a waste of time and huge arrogance to think that this might work.

There are so many good coaches, hockey executives, etc.

Why couldn't it have been different?

Why didn't Shanny "read the tea leaves": contracts, Play-in vs Columbus, MTL, Aires, soft players, etc.

The inexperienced body of work is sloppy and it's a tale of 3 people in the management group learning on the job. There should be no learning on the job. There should be experienced people doing this work.

Just sad.

The big thing with learning on the job is once the person learns, which I believe Dubas was showing signs of, you don’t let them walk. You keep them. Today was possibly the worst ending possibly to this blacklist in Leafs history. As you can probably tell I’m not the biggest Dubas fan, but I was starting to think he may have finally learned and could have started positively contributing.

 

[Donnie740]

The big thing with learning on the job is once the person learns, which I believe Dubas was showing signs of, you don’t let them walk. You keep them. Today was possibly the worst ending possibly to this blacklist in Leafs history. As you can probably tell I’m not the biggest Dubas fan, but I was starting to think he may have finally learned and could have started positively contributing.

To proclaim Dubas finally “learned” how to win a playoff series after four years of abject failure is like cheering on a kid who failed Grade 9 four times but finally “learned” how to advance to Grade 10 after his fifth attempt at it.

This is the greatest day for the Leafs since January 2, 1992.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Florida, Vegas, Dallas

Rookie GMs

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Rookie president. Rookie GM. Rookie coach.

This is all Tanenbaum's fault.

ML$E can try spin this all they want. Sell this pile of trash for treasure. The fact remains the team is a loser.

So is Tanenbaum.

I’ve been a fan of this team my whole life. Folowed them closely for years. Nothing would make me happier than see them win a Stanley Cup.

Preferably before I'm some senile old man.

It's looking more and more like that's never gonna happen. The best opportunity to win a cup in a lifetime. Pissed away by the most incompetent management group in a lifetime.

Shanahan promised a cup.

The fans, fools that we are, believed him. Now we don't feel like we're getting what we paid for. Accountability has become word of the day as a result.

Tanenbaum needs to fire his friends or sell the team.

 

[Dreakmur]

The big thing with learning on the job is once the person learns, which I believe Dubas was showing signs of, you don’t let them walk. You keep them. Today was possibly the worst ending possibly to this blacklist in Leafs history. As you can probably tell I’m not the biggest Dubas fan, but I was starting to think he may have finally learned and could have started positively contributing.

The plan was to bring him back.

He pulled some shady shit and got fired for it.

 

[Nineteen67]

Dubas may have learned on the job, but do you think he was ever going to fix the D? It was shoddy the day he started and may even be worse today.

He brought in Muzzin, but that wasn’t enough.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Have to wonder if Shanny's presser was directed at Dubas or was it Matthews. Ie. Wasserman.

1) Fk around and find out.
2) We pay you what we think your worth, not what you think.
3) You either want to be a Leaf or you don't.

 

[Nineteen67]

Rookie president. Rookie GM. Rookie coach.

This is all Tanenbaum's fault.

ML$E can try spin this all they want. Sell this pile of trash for treasure. The fact remains the team is a loser.

So is Tanenbaum.

I’ve been a fan of this team my whole life. Folowed them closely for years. Nothing would make me happier than see them win a Stanley Cup.

Preferably before I'm some senile old man.

It's looking more and more like that's never gonna happen. The best opportunity to win a cup in a lifetime. Pissed away by the most incompetent management group in a lifetime.

Shanahan promised a cup.

The fans, fools that we are, believed him. Now we don't feel like we're getting what we paid for. Accountability has become word of the day as a result.

Tanenbaum needs to fire his friends or sell the team.

Can you hang in for at least another three years? Whoever gets the job has a lot of work to do with not a lot of talent and resources to work with.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Dubas may have learned on the job, but do you think he was ever going to fix the D? It was shoddy the day he started and may even be worse today.

He brought in Muzzin, but that wasn’t enough.

What in the actual hell lol. The team improved defensively every season under him. They were 6th in fewest goals allowed this year. I literally don't know how anyone could have this take.

 

[Nineteen67]

Have to wonder if Shanny's presser was directed at Dubas or was it Matthews. Ie. Wasserman.

1) Fk around and find out.
2) We pay you what we think your worth, not what you think.
3) You either want to be a Leaf or you don't.

Both. Last time he asked them to be fair and not so greedy and they still rolled them.
Matthews doesn’t strike me as someone that cares about that.

 

[notbias]

Colorado and Tampa both had rookies in all three, correct?

From my research, that's what I found, but someone can correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Nineteen67]

What in the actual hell lol. The team improved defensively every season under him. They were 6th in fewest goals allowed this year. I literally don't know how anyone could have this take.

Do you think their D could win 4 rounds? Not a chance. They had to play 7 of them in round 1 because they were so bad.

 

[Dreakmur]

What in the actual hell lol. The team improved defensively every season under him. They were 6th in fewest goals allowed this year. I literally don't know how anyone could have this take.

They added good defensive forwards, but the blueline remained a weakness.

Look at how bad the D was in the playoffs.

 

[Cor]

This narrative is so tiring lmao

3 of the 4 teams left have “rookie” GM’s

Carolina has a “rookie” head coach.

The Panthers President & CEO was the youngest President & CEO in all of US pro sports. The Dallas Stars president is a “rookie” president as well.

It has nothing to do with success. Nothing.

And we should know. We’ve hired rookie GM’s, rookie coaches, and experienced GM’s and experienced coaches. We’ve hired experienced presidents, we’ve hired hockey slanted presidents and we’ve hired business slanted presidents.

I’m honestly confused how fans of this team of all teams, can think experience has anything to do with anything given our history lmao.