Is PK Subban an HHOF contender?

[summer tooth]

Perhaps Subban has struggled in the last year, but we have to remember he won the Norris trophy, and for a couple of years he was the leading scorer among all d-men, and was also the highest paid defender in the National Hockey League.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...no...and I'm a big Subban fan...

 

[Seanaconda]

Maybe if he becomes a broadcaster he can get in the hhof that way but as a player no chance

 

[Frank Drebin]

and for a couple of years he was the leading scorer among all d-men,

I did not know this

 

[Nut Upstrom]

Where the f*** did this come from?
Someone needs to lay off the sauce.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Great peak but no.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Before this year I would have absolutely said no chance, but the bar is so low that we’re apparently now admitting players who were never the best at their position and never won a Cup solely because they are a strong personality (see: Luongo, Roberto).

Subban at least won a Norris, so he automatically has a better case than Lou. May take a bit, but I (unfortunately) think he’ll get in.

 

[LT]

Randy Carlyle is the only retired Norris winner not in the HHOF.

Considering Subban was a finalist two other times and won a Clancy this year, I think he gets in eventually.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

No but he was a beast in his prime

 

[snag]

 

[Gil Gunderson]

No his peak was too short. Perhaps we'd be talking about a HOFer without his injuries.

 

[Bouboumaster]

As of right now, no

 

[Breakers]

Didnt he win most overrated player in the league in a vote by the players numerous times.

 

[Felidae]

Before this year I would have absolutely said no chance, but the bar is so low that we’re apparently now admitting players who were never the best at their position and never won a Cup solely because they are a strong personality (see: Luongo, Roberto).

Subban at least won a Norris, so he automatically has a better case than Lou. May take a bit, but I (unfortunately) think he’ll get in.

Subban does not have a better case than Luo.

You can never be the best at your position, but If you are one of the best for a number of years, then that's better than someone that had a better peak but fizzled out quickly with no longevity as an elite player.

Luongo is the former.

It's also the same reason why Weber has a stronger case for the HHOF than Subban.

I do still see your main point, I just disagree with the example you used and the reasoning behind it. There are far better examples you could have used. Kevin Lowe comes to mind immediately.

 

[Bounces R Way]

No he is not.

 

[FilHronek Orchestra]

buddy is having a night over there eh

 

[Xirik]

You could argue that he could be in the Builders category as he was one of the biggest players to grow the game in recent memory.

 

[Nico Hischier]

Alex mogilny and patrik Elias are still both not in that hall and both deserve to be so I’m going to say no for subban

 

[CanadienShark]

I love Subban, but no, he's not. He was on the right trajectory, but unfortunately injuries and off-ice distractions cost him.

 

[Halakitlikethat]

If he had maintained his peak longer I think he would be in the conversation. Injuries really slowed him down .

 

[PostBradMalone]

You can never be the best at your position, but If you are one of the best for a number of years, then that's better than someone that had a better peak but fizzled out quickly with no longevity as an elite player.

But it’s not “The Hall of Good For a Long Time”. It’s the Hall of Fame. If that’s now the standard, you also have to put in Nabokov. Among forwards, it opens the door to someone like Ryan Smyth. Hell, at that point, pretty much every team today can be considered to have an active HHOFer on it. Is that what you want?

I do still see your main point, I just disagree with the example you used and the reasoning behind it. There are far better examples you could have used. Kevin Lowe comes to mind immediately.

Lowe was at least key to a dynasty and then a big piece on another Cup winner. Lou’s biggest team accomplishment is winning Gold for Canada. Are we putting Mike Smith now in too?

 

[LT]

I love Subban, but no, he's not. He was on the right trajectory, but unfortunately injuries and off-ice distractions cost him.

Off-ice distractions?

 

[gsharpe]

But it’s not “The Hall of Good For a Long Time”. It’s the Hall of Fame. If that’s now the standard, you also have to put in Nabokov. Among forwards, it opens the door to someone like Ryan Smyth. Hell, at that point, pretty much every team today can be considered to have an active HHOFer on it. Is that what you want?




Lowe was at least key to a dynasty and then a big piece on another Cup winner. Lou’s biggest team accomplishment is winning Gold for Canada. Are we putting Mike Smith now in too?

It's possible I'm just a Homer but I just don't see what you are talking about. How is 353 win Evgeny Nabokov (good and consistent player mind you) compared to 489 win Luongo? His resume is outrageous. Second most saves all time, 4th in wins, t6 in shutouts, 10th in save pct.

Also has runner up in Hart once and Vezina (I believe) three times.

Just not seeing the Ryan Smyth comparison.

At least Nabokov had three consecutive 40 win seasons.

Oh, and not to derail this. Love me some Subban. I hope it's not too late for him to have a Chris Chelios style 10 more years. He seems like he could be a great defender if he focused on it.

But if he retired today there just isn't a chance.

 

[Sinistril]

Before this year I would have absolutely said no chance, but the bar is so low that we’re apparently now admitting players who were never the best at their position and never won a Cup solely because they are a strong personality (see: Luongo, Roberto).

Subban at least won a Norris, so he automatically has a better case than Lou. May take a bit, but I (unfortunately) think he’ll get in.

Yeah Luongo was a trash admission... though, he had a longer peak. Mats Sundin type induction

 

[Felidae]

But it’s not “The Hall of Good For a Long Time”. It’s the Hall of Fame. If that’s now the standard, you also have to put in Nabokov. Among forwards, it opens the door to someone like Ryan Smyth. Hell, at that point, pretty much every team today can be considered to have an active HHOFer on it. Is that what you want?

There's a difference between being good for a long time and being elite for a long time. Luongo is in the second category, and everything from SV% and Vezina finishes proves that.

Ryan Smythe was good for a long time. A solid 1st line player, never being in contention for any major awards.

Lowe was at least key to a dynasty and then a big piece on another Cup winner. Lou’s biggest team accomplishment is winning Gold for Canada. Are we putting Mike Smith now in too?

Lowe was at best the 6th most valuable player during those cup wins. He was not better than Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Coffey or Fuhr. Then there were others on the team like Tikkanen and Anderson that could be argued as better during any given year. Are we inducting players on the basis of team accomplishments and not how good they were on an individual level?


Should Marcel Dionne not be inducted because he was only one of the best players in the game and never won anything?

Also, Mike Smith is tiers below Luongo as a goaltender. A quick look at their Vezina record shows that.

Anyways, we've already derailed the thread enough. Subban would be far from the weakest of inductions. But I would still say no to him, his peak, though HHOF calibre, was too short.