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World Cup: Is international hockey dead (or too boring to resuscitate)?

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Confucius said:
I apologize I didn't realize most people wanted just a one off tournament where upsets are more likely rather than a tournament to find the best team.
I get it now, thanks.
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Surely you get that it will become an unsaleable product if lesser teams go into it knowing they cannot possibly win?

You must be able to grasp that? It would be the death of the format.
 
ukyote said:
A much better comparison is the WC. The competition you linked to is the southern hemisphere compo and only has 4 teams in it (until very recently it was three).
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I see, thanks for the correction.

The All Blacks are the only comparable I have to Team Canada right now. It was nice to see Richie McCaw go out on top :).
 
snipes said:
I see, thanks for the correction.

The All Blacks are the only comparable I have to Team Canada right now. It was nice to see Richie McCaw go out on top :).
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I'd say Spain a few years ago in football sounds about right?

Sport is sport... it'll pass. Somebody else will sprout a ton of good players at once. That's how it works!
 
ukyote said:
I'd say Spain a few years ago in football sounds about right?

Sport is sport... it'll pass. Somebody else will sprout a ton of good players at once. That's how it works!
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Exactly, things ebb and flow.

We're in the middle of a Canadian Golden Era that really is special (I don't mean this arrogantly). History will be kind to this group of players and their dominance during this era. It won't last forever.
 
BruinLVGA said:
This was borderline psychedelic...



I feel that multiple games finals are less exciting than a one game takes it all.



Yes, that's why I said they have been batting .333 on small ice, best on best. Had they not won in Sochi, they would have been at 0.0000, since they already lost in Nagano and Torino. So they are 1 for 3 = .333...
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Nagano is 1998. Lol
Salt Lake 2002 Canada gold was big ice no?

16 straight best on best wins for Team Canada.
The record speaks for itself.
 
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ukyote said:
Surely you get that it will become an unsaleable product if lesser teams go into it knowing they cannot possibly win?

You must be able to grasp that? It would be the death of the format.
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Yes I grasped it, thought my last posts on the subject were clear. I apologize if I left doubt. Thank you for pointing out my shortsighted point of view. Have a great day!
 
Kitchener Boy said:
Nagano is 1998. Lol
Salt Lake 2002 Canada gold was big ice no?

16 straight best on best wins for Team Canada.
The record speaks for itself.
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Salt Lake City, Utah, USA is... big ice? Since when?

The record is the record: 3 best on best Olympics on big ice (Nagano 98, Torino 06, Sochi 14), Canada won 1, didn't win 2. 1 in 3 = 0.333 winning record. Mathematics are not an opinion, even in Canada.

For those talking about the immense talent today in team Canada, go look at the names of the 98 and 06 squads and tell me about the talent.
Some that stick out... 98: Brodeur, Roy, Stevens, Pronger, Bourque, Blake, Shanahan, Gretzky, Sakic, Lindros, Recchi, Yzerman... 06: Brodeur, Luongo, Pronger, Niedermayer, Blake, Heatley, Lecavalier, Nash, Richards, Smyth, St. Louis, Thornton...
 
Kitchener Boy said:
Nagano is 1998. Lol
Salt Lake 2002 Canada gold was big ice no?

16 straight best on best wins for Team Canada.
The record speaks for itself.
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Canada has 5 wins in 10 events since 1992 Albertville. :popcorn:

(Google doesn't work in Canada?)
 
BruinLVGA said:
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA is... big ice? Since when?

The record is the record: 3 best on best Olympics on big ice (Nagano 98, Torino 06, Sochi 14), Canada won 1, didn't win 2. 1 in 3 = 0.333 winning record. Mathematics are not an opinion, even in Canada.

For those talking about the immense talent today in team Canada, go look at the names of the 98 and 06 squads and tell me about the talent.
Some that stick out... 98: Brodeur, Roy, Stevens, Pronger, Bourque, Blake, Shanahan, Gretzky, Sakic, Lindros, Recchi, Yzerman... 06: Brodeur, Luongo, Pronger, Niedermayer, Blake, Heatley, Lecavalier, Nash, Richards, Smyth, St. Louis, Thornton...
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Yes good talent.
Salt Lake was bigger than NHL ice. So it was big.
 
BruinLVGA said:
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA is... big ice? Since when?

The record is the record: 3 best on best Olympics on big ice (Nagano 98, Torino 06, Sochi 14), Canada won 1, didn't win 2. 1 in 3 = 0.333 winning record. Mathematics are not an opinion, even in Canada.

For those talking about the immense talent today in team Canada, go look at the names of the 98 and 06 squads and tell me about the talent.
Some that stick out... 98: Brodeur, Roy, Stevens, Pronger, Bourque, Blake, Shanahan, Gretzky, Sakic, Lindros, Recchi, Yzerman... 06: Brodeur, Luongo, Pronger, Niedermayer, Blake, Heatley, Lecavalier, Nash, Richards, Smyth, St. Louis, Thornton...
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You keep repeating this as if it's incredibly meaningful. Do you understand what sample size means? :laugh:
 
gwh said:
Canada has 5 wins in 10 events since 1992 Albertville. :popcorn:

(Google doesn't work in Canada?)
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The 1992 Olympic tournament, just like the 1994 Olympic tournament you are presumably counting, had literally nothing to do with what he said.
 
Im not sure how it would work (if it even was possible), but I think a champions league concept like soccer would be pretty awesome. Best teams from each respective pro leagues going against each other. I'd imagine that idea has been bounced around a lot though,
 
snipes said:
Exactly, things ebb and flow.

We're in the middle of a Canadian Golden Era that really is special (I don't mean this arrogantly). History will be kind to this group of players and their dominance during this era. It won't last forever.
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ebb and flow ? When's the next tide ? How long is the window of canadian supremacy open before people simply say " based on depth canada is going to win tournament x and all such best on best tournaments for the forseeable future" ?

Yes, tis true that other countries can, do and will continue to produce top end talent. But canada doesnt win because we have top end talent, its because we can ice 4 forward lines with top end talent and I don't see many countries suddenly developing that depth of talent any time soon. even with the best case scenarios of players on other countries developing into players who take these high talent positions, there are still a lot of roster spots that they have to fill ( for example alexi emelin).

look at the women's game, I seriously think its growth has been hampered by the fact that tournaments are no longer to see who comes out on top, but whether the us or canada comes out on top and everyone else is an after thought.

there's no doubt Canada is on a hot streak right now, and we can get beat in a single elimination game but I don't see us being anything but the prohibitive favorites for quite a while. if its a long while im not sure that's great for the game.

The NHL tried to address this depth disparity by pooling countries which was universally panned by many as a gimmick. maybe it was, but if their said intention was to make this tournament the most competitive, gimmick or not, they accomplished this goal.
 
Macman said:
No way. Canada is on a great run right now because of a generation of great players that was at the heart of the 2005 world junior champs. When they're gone it will likely be a different story. The U.S. is producing as many top prospects right now as Canada is, and the problems the Russians are having won't last forever. Canada beat Finland 11-2 at the '76 Canada Cup. Those days are long over.
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Americans drafted in 1st round last 5 drafts: 32. Canadians: 68. Yeah, that's not significant.
 
There's just not enough good countries. There's also not enough passion in the rivalries with the discipline of the game now.

The only thing I'd like to see in a next world cup is Canada vs World in a 7 game series. Every country other than Canada vs. Canada. I still like their chances to win too.
 
Orange Dragon said:
Not really a matter of opinions when at least one team was seriously harmed because it was denied to ice it's best players.
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How is it not a matter of opinion when opinions vary?

Think very carefully before you answer because you're missing something here.
 
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