IIHF thinking about getting rid of shootouts for gold medal games

[Past Considerations]

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/report-iihf-could-axe-shootouts-for-gold-medal-games-155126326.html

According to TSN reporter Darren Dreger, IIHF officials from both Canada and the U.S. are investigating some potential scenarios to nix or at least further curb the shootout. He tempered the comments, by saying discussions are still in the early stages.

Video: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider-trading-avs-asking-a-high-price-for-landeskog~1032191

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Unfortunately sounds like instead of completely axing it sounds they're thinking about starting the OT 4vs4 or changing to 4vs4 mid-OT and/or eventually changing to 3vs3.

I'd really like the NHL playoffs way: 5vs5 until someone scores. If it goes beyond 1st OT it is not always pretty hockey, but it just feels like the most right way and the situation is the same for both teams, but I would be surprised if this is even on the table. There should be no reason not to do this, unlike in QFs or SFs, when there is often a time restriction (subsequent games played in the same arena).

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[MNNumbers]

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/report-iihf-could-axe-shootouts-for-gold-medal-games-155126326.html



Video: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider-trading-avs-asking-a-high-price-for-landeskog~1032191

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Unfortunately sounds like instead of completely axing it sounds they're thinking about starting the OT 4vs4 or changing to 4vs4 mid-OT and/or eventually changing to 3vs3.

I'd really like the NHL playoffs way: 5vs5 until someone scores. If it goes beyond 1st OT it is not always pretty hockey, but it just feels like the most right way and the situation is the same for both teams, but I would be surprised if this is even on the table. There should be no reason not to do this, unlike in QFs or SFs, when there is often a time restriction (subsequent games played in the same arena).

Even subsequent games in the same arena is no excuse. I know they are only kids, but take the Minnesota State Hockey Championships as an example. The big schools play Thurs-Fri-Sat, taking 8 teams down to a champion. Very often, the Friday night semi-finals will see the first game go to OT, and to multiple OTs. The 2nd game just waits, and the winner of the multi-OT game still plays Saturday night for the Championship. TV doesn't care. Actually, they love it.

No reason WJC can't do the same....

 

[Past Considerations]

Even subsequent games in the same arena is no excuse. I know they are only kids, but take the Minnesota State Hockey Championships as an example. The big schools play Thurs-Fri-Sat, taking 8 teams down to a champion. Very often, the Friday night semi-finals will see the first game go to OT, and to multiple OTs. The 2nd game just waits, and the winner of the multi-OT game still plays Saturday night for the Championship. TV doesn't care. Actually, they love it.

No reason WJC can't do the same....

That's a bit different as a 3-day event? IIHF would probably like to apply the same rules to all IIHF tournaments, and this is definitely a non-starter for men's tournaments.

 

[xxxx]

it would be nice if they did this for all hockey tournaments under the IIHF - ie at least for the gold medal game. I must admit that the shootouts were exciting, and I rather liked that than not, but imo it's too bad of a way to let that decide who wins the championship, especially when there is a way to change it and it's possible to do. I would personally take out the shootouts from the whole playoffs completely. The game that decides who is the best one, should be decided by a team play, unit against unit, naturally, not like this. That's not just about me as a fan, I think that if players could vote whether they want shootouts in the NHL's playoffs or the OTs, it would bee 100% against zero. Yes, a short tournament like this is different in some ways, but still, I personally believe that shootouts were never originally a part of hockey, at least not in Canada, LET ALONE in games that really matter, so that's where my mind stands.

 

[JackSlater]

Getting rid of the shootout would be good. Instituting four on four or three on three would be bad. Probably better than a shootout, but not by as much as simply playing five on five until someone wins would be.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

People don't have time to wait all night.

 

[1Gold Standard]

People don't have time to wait all night.

I could have watched that game until 6 in the morning. and I usually wake up 5:30 to kick off my day,

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

People don't have time to wait all night.

I understand that it needs to be entertaining to pull viewers in but this isn't a league run solely for entertainment purposes. This is a world championship to determine who is the best u-20 hockey team. Having a champion decided by a shootout isn't the best way to determine that imo.

Personally, I'm all for scrapping the shootout in the entire playoff round. Let the teams play until a goal is scored. If the winners have nothing left in the tank for the next game after a long ot then that's their fate for not getting it done sooner.

 

[tony d]

As well they should. That game last week was amazing hockey, it got tarnished by the game going to a shootout. The NHL doesn't decide the Stanley Cup with a shootout, neither should the IiHF with any playoff games.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

The US would have been even more screwed if they had had to play against Russia until morning.

 

[JackSlater]

The US would have been even more screwed if they had had to play against Russia until morning.

How would the US (the team that payed the earlier semi final) be screwed due to their game against Russia... if, as the story says, the IIHF changed the rules for gold medal games?

 

[NyQuil]

How would the US (the team that payed the earlier semi final) be screwed due to their game against Russia... if, as the story says, the IIHF changed the rules for gold medal games?

Maybe he's responding to the posters who advocated it for the entire playoff.

E.g.

Personally, I'm all for scrapping the shootout in the entire playoff round. Let the teams play until a goal is scored. If the winners have nothing left in the tank for the next game after a long ot then that's their fate for not getting it done sooner.

 

[Past Considerations]

Personally, I'm all for scrapping the shootout in the entire playoff round. Let the teams play until a goal is scored. If the winners have nothing left in the tank for the next game after a long ot then that's their fate for not getting it done sooner.

Doing this for QF and SF would require that only game is played per arena. Typically, both SFs are played in the main arena on the same day and often in QFs two games are played on the same day per arena. Men or juniors.

Or at least I can't see federations and players being very accepting towards the possiblity of constant delays in game start times.

 

[xxxx]

Doing this for QF and SF would require that only game is played per arena. Typically, both SFs are played in the main arena on the same day and often in QFs two games are played on the same day per arena. Men or juniors.

Or at least I can't see federations and players being very accepting towards the possiblity of constant delays in game start times.

Nobody is saying that the problems with it are easy to solve, but just because someone can't figure everything out here in 10 minutes, doesn't mean it can't be done. The IIHF knows a lot more about what would need to be done, and maybe they can figure something out. It's not impossible to do.

 

[Joe Zanussi]

I'd vote for 4 on 4, then 3 on 3, then shootout for all playoffs except the final. Then let them play 5 on 5 til somebody wins for the Final.

 

[Rob]

4 x 4 until someone scores.

 

[Xokkeu]

3v3 seems only slightly less gimmicky than the shootout. It's fun in the NHL regular season when games don't really matter and nobody wants to pay $100 to see a tie.

 

[MNNumbers]

That's a bit different as a 3-day event? IIHF would probably like to apply the same rules to all IIHF tournaments, and this is definitely a non-starter for men's tournaments.

I simply meant about the 2nd game of the session. The OT in the first game isn't any problem.

 

[ToewsGretzky*]

This might get some heat but I personally consider Canada's 2017 World Junior Team to be co-Champions of the World Juniors, shootouts can go either way. If the Stanley Cup and Olympic Gold are determined by continuous OT than so should everything else for those are the 2 highest prizes in Hockey..therefore it should be the standard way to determine all hockey championships. I also believe that the World Cup in soccer shouldn't be determined by penalty kicks either, it should be golden goal.

 

[Xokkeu]

This might get some heat but I personally consider Canada's 2017 World Junior Team to be co-Champions of the World Juniors, shootouts can go either way. If the Stanley Cup and Olympic Gold are determined by continuous OT than so should everything else for those are the 2 highest prizes in Hockey..therefore it should be the standard way to determine all hockey championships. I also believe that the World Cup in soccer shouldn't be determined by penalty kicks either, it should be golden goal.

I've often wanted to see an endless golden goal just for the spectacle. The problem is that eventually both teams would be so tired they'd never cross the halfway line for hours. Just look at 2002(?) when Juventus and Milan played. By the 75th minute neither team was trying.

 

[ToewsGretzky*]

I've often wanted to see an endless golden goal just for the spectacle. The problem is that eventually both teams would be so tired they'd never cross the halfway line for hours. Just look at 2002(?) when Juventus and Milan played. By the 75th minute neither team was trying.

Even if they are exhausted at least the championship will be either won or lost due to the play of the entire team in a team situation. Survival of the fittest, last man standing etc etc.

 

[1Gold Standard]

I've often wanted to see an endless golden goal just for the spectacle. The problem is that eventually both teams would be so tired they'd never cross the halfway line for hours. Just look at 2002(?) when Juventus and Milan played. By the 75th minute neither team was trying.

wait, what? you've never witnessed an overtime marathon? Caps v NYI Pat Lafontaine way back in the day? I stayed up all night to watch that.

Eventually teams do get tired which leads to brain cramps, which leads to defensive mistakes, which leads to offensive chances, which leads to a goal. Those marathons don't happen all that often. Things are usually settled rather quickly. And if the IIHF can't do it the NHL playoff way, then just prohibit line changes on the fly. Keep players out there until a whistle. Tired players = offense. I'd rather see that than a shoot out deciding a goal medal. Especially the type of game we witnessed here.

 

[Xokkeu]

wait, what? you've never witnessed an overtime marathon? Caps v NYI Pat Lafontaine way back in the day? I stayed up all night to watch that.

Eventually teams do get tired which leads to brain cramps, which leads to defensive mistakes, which leads to offensive chances, which leads to a goal. Those marathons don't happen all that often. Things are usually settled rather quickly. And if the IIHF can't do it the NHL playoff way, then just prohibit line changes on the fly. Keep players out there until a whistle. Tired players = offense. I'd rather see that than a shoot out deciding a goal medal. Especially the type of game we witnessed here.

Golden goal in soccer. Not hockey.

 

[ToewsGretzky*]

Golden goal in soccer. Not hockey.

Except for Sidney Crosby in 2010 where its universally referred to as "The Golden Goal" :p

 

[jj cale]

This might get some heat but I personally consider Canada's 2017 World Junior Team to be co-Champions of the World Juniors, shootouts can go either way. If the Stanley Cup and Olympic Gold are determined by continuous OT than so should everything else for those are the 2 highest prizes in Hockey..therefore it should be the standard way to determine all hockey championships. I also believe that the World Cup in soccer shouldn't be determined by penalty kicks either, it should be golden goal.

No heat from this guy,we never got beat playing hockey in that game, just lost in a gimmick, not playing hockey.

The champion really wasn't determined this year imo.