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If you were trading one player on this team, who would it be?

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JT AM da real deal said:
Mik can replace Kerfoot i think
Holl is already a #7 on this team so a move to pick up a vet dman at $1M or less helps CAP hit
Ritchie is not replaceable if he plays da right way as this is not a tough team and we can be easily pushed around
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Was glad to see Dubas wake up to the need of a Richie type.
Brutal start to the season but he showed on the Island how valuable he can be. Plays like that and he is going absolutely now where.

I think pretty everyone sees Holl as the guy to go. Take a pick for him and move on.
 
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Nylanderthal said:
Now make the same nonsense argument for trading mcdavid
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The Oilers aren't in the same position, nor are my posts about them in any way. They're not shedding productive players every off-season. They also have a handful of bluechip prospects stepping in in each of the next two or three seasons to add to the depth they already possess.

It isn't nonsense to say that the Leafs have been shedding talent year over year due to a lack of financial flexibility. That will continue to happen next season with the extensions to Reilly and likely Jack Campbell.

Not interested in the pissing contest. I'm responding to a poster that said Matthews is the only reason they're competitive. That couldn't be any more wrong.
 
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Fogelhund said:
We still need a #7 guy... if we could turn that into physical, cheaper guy, I'm all for it though... but we can't just trade him, without a replacement.
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Sure that works or flip the pick for a #7 or bring up a Marlie to sit in the press box.
 
Fogelhund said:
It's not the press box I'm worried about, as much as injury replacement. There isn't a Marlies replacement, that I'd really want to count on at this point in the playoffs.
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I don't follow them but I see others talking them up all the time. Surprises me that no one could fill in on the bottom pair if needed.
 
ACC1224 said:
I don't follow them but I see others talking them up all the time. Surprises me that no one could fill in on the bottom pair if needed.
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Biega and Mennell have NHL experience... so there is that. They are ok... and that's all. I'd sooner go out and get a guy like Lyubushkin from Arizona, who is likely available, is more physical, plays the PK, as backup insurance...
 
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Fogelhund said:
Biega and Mennell have NHL experience... so there is that. They are ok... and that's all. I'd sooner go out and get a guy like Lyubushkin from Arizona, who is likely available, is more physical, plays the PK, as backup insurance...
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Works for me.
 
For the sake of conversation here's a topic:

Next year when we extend Campbell, we're going to want to drop Mrazek asap unless we want to spend 9M~ on goaltending. Hopefully Petr both plays games, and has more W than L so we're not having to pay to unload him
 
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Gary Nylund said:
I'm assuming Matthews stays. Of course if he's not staying that changes everything but until we learn otherwise, chances are he stays as it's rare for star players to change teams. All we need to do is win one round this spring, the city will go absolutely berserk and once he gets a taste of that he'll never want to leave.

Marner's an 11 million cap hit player but he's also 1'st team all-star who's under contract for years to come. He's roughly comparable to Eichel IMO in terms of value, except that there are zero questions about his health whereas there are huge questions about Eichel's health. I'm not assuming anyone will overvalue him, fair value for Marner is plenty.
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Of course.

I'm not saying any of this lightly. This is a massive shake-the-foundation type trade that's unparalleled in professional hockey. But I'm of the belief that depth is what wins you championships. And in the cap era, your payroll needs to be managed responsibility to offer you the ability to provide that depth over a long period of time.

I don't think the Leafs will get the opportunity to win a championship the way their team is currently built. And I believe the worst thing that could happen to Leafs this year would be some measure of playoff success. The investors need to be convinced that this plan isn't working and they need to commit to a retool.

In regards to Marner being equal to Eichel. Top line centers will always be one of the rarest assets available on the open market. It's fair to mention the injury, but you also need to acknowledge that the market on Eichel was severely limited. The type of return you could expect for an $11m winger is probably going to be quite disappointing.
 
Why does anyone want to trade away one of the members of the top matchup defense pairing on one of the best defenses in the league over the last 2 seasons? especially when he only makes $2m?
 
belair said:
Of course.

I'm not saying any of this lightly. This is a massive shake-the-foundation type trade that's unparalleled in professional hockey. But I'm of the belief that depth is what wins you championships. And in the cap era, your payroll needs to be managed responsibility to offer you the ability to provide that depth over a long period of time.

I don't think the Leafs will get the opportunity to win a championship the way their team is currently built. And I believe the worst thing that could happen to Leafs this year would be some measure of playoff success. The investors need to be convinced that this plan isn't working and they need to commit to a retool.

In regards to Marner being equal to Eichel. Top line centers will always be one of the rarest assets available on the open market. It's fair to mention the injury, but you also need to acknowledge that the market on Eichel was severely limited. The type of return you could expect for an $11m winger is probably going to be quite disappointing.
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There is no chance Matthews is the one that they choose to move, if they decide that they don't like the current makeup of this team. This idea has very little merit, outside of a very limited trade.

Such as to Arizona, if Arizona has the first overall 2022, plus 2023 1st round pick (no protection), Hayton, Crouse and Guenther.
 
zeke said:
Why does anyone want to trade away one of the members of the top matchup defense pairing on one of the best defenses in the league over the last 2 seasons? especially when he only makes $2m?
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and how good has he been this year?
 
belair said:
The Oilers aren't in the same position, nor are my posts about them in any way. They're not shedding productive players every off-season. They also have a handful of bluechip prospects stepping in in each of the next two or three seasons to add to the depth they already possess.

It isn't nonsense to say that the Leafs have been shedding talent year over year due to a lack of financial flexibility. That will continue to happen next season with the extensions to Reilly and likely Jack Campbell.

Not interested in the pissing contest. I'm responding to a poster that said Matthews is the only reason they're competitive. That could be any more wrong.
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You have to have good players in the first place in order to lose them….
 
zeke said:
Why does anyone want to trade away one of the members of the top matchup defense pairing on one of the best defenses in the league over the last 2 seasons? especially when he only makes $2m?
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Because he is a #7 on this team today based on skill level .. he can't pivot right, can't turn well on his edges, has no speed to catch anyone, does not level anyone, his hand eye skills are weakest .. and with Muzzy dropping off Holl hockey skill limitations are showing up night in night out .. many of us knew it even past 2 years but you need to be a pretty strong ex hockey dman who sees them at camps on ice day to day to really understand .. most of you guys just didn't have access
 
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Fogelhund said:
There is no chance Matthews is the one that they choose to move, if they decide that they don't like the current makeup of this team. This idea has very little merit, outside of a very limited trade.

Such as to Arizona, if Arizona has the first overall 2022, plus 2023 1st round pick (no protection), Hayton, Crouse and Guenther.
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Well the uncomfortable talk you have to have regarding Matthews is that the Leafs have two kicks at the can before Auston Matthews has all of the leverage in terms of where he gets to go at the end of his current contract.

What if Matthews wants the moon on his next deal? The Leafs will need to forecast his increase in salary, which will ultimately impact the depth of his surrounding cast.

What if Matthews is dead set on playing in an American market? The Leafs will need to work with his agent to facilitate a deal that works with the NMC in his final year. How will that impact the market for him as a rental?

Waiting for these things to be certain only devalues the asset and likely lessens the type of trade return you could expect.

It's about getting ahead of it. You can probably walk away from a trade this off-season with a deeper, more competitive team. I don't think you can do that with anyone else on the roster.
 
Fogelhund said:
Playing adequately maybe... but that's about it. Bigger tests coming to judge.
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Since he came back in the Leafs have allowed only 8 goals in 7gms, including 3 shutouts, with 2 of those games and 1 of those shutouts started by 4th stringer Woll.
 
zeke said:
Since he came back in the Leafs have allowed only 8 goals in 7gms, including 3 shutouts, with 2 of those games and 1 of those shutouts started by 4th stringer Woll.
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I’m talking about his play, having watched him.

You are talking about team results.

Different things.
 
Fogelhund said:
I’m talking about his play, having watched him.

You are talking about team results.

Different things.
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Yeah I'm talking about half of the toughest usage matchup pairing on a defense that's dominating.

Also, the only dman with a (slightly) higher xgf% than Holl since he came back in is the very sheltered Sandin.
 
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