If you were trading one player on this team, who would it be?

[leaffaninvancouver]

Marner, I love the player but that’s a lot of cap for an elite winger. That said the trade only makes sense if we still end up in a position to compete, as Marner will continue to be an elite player for a long time.

I don’t think we can’t really trade any of the core 4 for prospects and picks.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Just have to hold out hope that when their next contracts come up they sign deals very similar to the ones they have now and the cap increases, leaving more room to sign complementary pieces and push us to a dynasty.

That's the hope and beLEAF from me anyways.

 

[Stephen]

Just have to hold out hope that when their next contracts come up they sign deals very similar to the ones they have now and the cap increases, leaving more room to sign complementary pieces and push us to a dynasty.

That's the hope and beLEAF from me anyways.

My guess is Tavares will probably earn a bit less if he's still here and wants to continue to be a Leaf. Just age factor, expected decline.

I don't see the sticker price on Matthews or Marner coming down.

Nylander will be the tricky one being the "value" player out of the Big 4 making less than $7 million.

 

[slozo]

Only if we fail badly again in the payoffs - but to make real change it’s gotta be big
Matthews

never going to happen though so we’ll see

 

[Notsince67]

Holl and Engvall can go.

Reasonable.

 

[Notsince67]

What on earth is this based on? He’s been way more than good when it comes to trades.

He lost the Kadri trade large

 

[ZEBROA]

I would make a survey among the dudes and then get rid off the one who got the most votes. And i would make Marner read it in front of the others. And then we would all laugh, except that one dude. And then i would wake up .

 

[smitty10]

Justin Holl.

 

[Gary Nylund]

He lost the Kadri trade large

Nah.

I would make a survey among the dudes and then get rid off the one who got the most votes. And i would make Marner read it in front of the others. And then we would all laugh, except that one dude. And then i would wake up .

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Good question, as there’s a few candidates that should be shipped out. I’d probably trade Justin Hole.

 

[Christ]

Tucker played in totally different era. His edge then would be way over the line today. Same reason Scott Stevens would not be in the HOF because half his career would have been spent on suspension. Apples and oranges.

Is it really apples to oranges? Tucker played on the edge of what was legal then and did not cross over that edge. Kadri might have got away with the plays he was repeatedly suspended for in the current NHL in Tucker's time but he does not play in Tuckers time...Kadri may still have got himself suspended because he does not recognize when he goes too far. Tucker did. It is not like no one was suspended for dangerous plays in Tucker's day, Domi being the most notorious...

 

[Gary Nylund]

Is it really apples to oranges? Tucker played on the edge of what was legal then and did not cross over that edge. Kadri might have got away with the plays he was repeatedly suspended for in the current NHL in Tucker's time but he does not play in Tuckers time...Kadri may still have got himself suspended because he does not recognize when he goes too far. Tucker did. It is not like no one was suspended for dangerous plays in Tucker's day, Domi being the most notorious...

This is it exactly. When you play on the edge, you need to know where the edge is and make sure you don't go over. I think Kadri might have even have had a pretty good idea where the edge was, he was just unable to control his emotions. Most players would learn their lesson after getting suspended in the playoffs once, that's just the worst possible time to not be able to play (obviously) and after letting your teammates down like that, you just make damn sure it never happens again. I have no idea how many players have been suspended twice in the playoffs, I suspect it's a pretty short list though. Kadri's now gone and done it three times, he was my favourite player when he was here and I hate to say it but he's basically brain dead and you can't count on him, period.

 

[belair]

The moment we trade Matthews is the moment we go back to being a non contender.

I'm sorry. I'm not a Leafs fan, so feel free to ask me to leave. But I just don't understand the logic you're using here.

The quality of your team is the very reason the Leafs are currently in contention. It's not really Matthews and company.

The main concern with your roster moving forward is the obvious lack of financial flexibility and its negative impact on Dubas' ability to provide the team with sufficient depth.

You can make a trade that turns Auston Matthews into a similarly aged top six forward, several prospects of high quality and a fairly valuable draft pick or two. In doing so, you'd be relieving the team of one of the league's premier goalscorers, but you'd be extending the team's competitive window and immediately improving the team's depth throughout the lineup.

I sincerely believe he's the only player on your current roster that would allow you to do that.

 

[ACC1224]

I'm sorry. I'm not a Leafs fan, so feel free to ask me to leave. But I just don't understand the logic you're using here.

The quality of your team is the very reason the Leafs are currently in contention. It's not really Matthews and company.

The main concern with your roster moving forward is the obvious lack of financial flexibility and its negative impact on Dubas' ability to provide the team with sufficient depth.

You can make a trade that turns Auston Matthews into a similarly aged top six forward, several prospects of high quality and a fairly valuable draft pick or two. In doing so, you'd be relieving the team of one of the league's premier goalscorers, but you'd be extending the team's competitive window and immediately improving the team's depth throughout the lineup.

I sincerely believe he's the only player on your current roster that would allow you to do that.

A phrase that is uttered by many, many times daily

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

This is a pretty open and general question but I would look at Kerfoot and his 3.5M cap and Holl at 2M in the pressbox to seek better returns for that cash if we must make a trade midseason

 

[Fogelhund]

There isn't a player on the roster that I immediately believe needs to be traded, especially RIGHT now. I'm all for improving the team though, so whom I'd give up, really depends on who is coming back, how much cap space they would take, what their position is, and so on.

We need a guy like Ritchie, if he can play every night, the way he did last game... but outside of that, he's been extremely tradeable... especially for a $2.5 mil cap hit. We need him, especially for the playoffs, "if" he can demonstrate the desire (note, I say desire, not ability, he has the ability) to play that way all the time.

Holl is a guy that I have no issues with moving.. but we need a D man back, either in that trade, or a series of others. A Chiarot, a Lyubushkin type guy... someone who can play a physical playoff style.

I see Kerfoot mentioned, but he's been a useful player for us. Moving him, creates a hole elsewhere.

I'd ask about Crouse, Comtois, JT Miller, if these guys are available, and what the prices are. Then see how we make it work from there.

None of the big four should be moved at all during regular season. Should we bomb out in the playoffs, that's a new discussion.

 

[Gary Nylund]

forward, several prospects of high quality and a fairly valuable draft pick or two. In doing so, you'd be relieving the team of one of the league's premier goalscorers, but you'd be extending the team's competitive window and immediately improving the team's depth throughout the lineup.

I sincerely believe he's the only player on your current roster that would allow you to do that.

I don't see how trading Matthews extends the team's competitive window. As far as him being the only player we could trade to improve our depth, Marner says hi. That's Mitch Marner, or money Mitch to his friends.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

This is a pretty open and general question but I would look at Kerfoot and his 3.5M cap and Holl at 2M in the pressbox to seek better returns for that cash if we must make a trade midseason

Yes these are best 2 guys to move IF we can improve da team .. I would wait for new GM to move Mitch as this is a big hockey trade meant for a hockey guy not a spreadsheet guy .. I would wait on Kerfoot move until Mik comes back and we see he brings same speed to lineup (we are lacking in foot speed right now and losing Kerfoot will hurt lineup today)

 

[Bluebear]

I would've traded Marner in the offseason or explored it anyway. Now maybe Holl.

Since Dubas is giving the core another chance, I don't think he should rent anyone at the deadline this year. This core has to prove they're worth it before potentially wasting assets that could be used to re-tool in the summer if the boys crap the bed again.

IF we see another garbage playoff effort, for sure look to trade Marner, to rebalance cap.

Also if Matthews doesn't seem stoked to be here and there is another playoff flop, I would field offers at least. I don't want him traded, and would love it if he spent his career here, but I could see a scenario where some American owner tells their GM to buy him at all costs for marketing reasons. Leafs might be able to win big on a Matthews trade.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I'm sorry. I'm not a Leafs fan, so feel free to ask me to leave. But I just don't understand the logic you're using here.

The quality of your team is the very reason the Leafs are currently in contention. It's not really Matthews and company.

The main concern with your roster moving forward is the obvious lack of financial flexibility and its negative impact on Dubas' ability to provide the team with sufficient depth.

You can make a trade that turns Auston Matthews into a similarly aged top six forward, several prospects of high quality and a fairly valuable draft pick or two. In doing so, you'd be relieving the team of one of the league's premier goalscorers, but you'd be extending the team's competitive window and immediately improving the team's depth throughout the lineup.

I sincerely believe he's the only player on your current roster that would allow you to do that.

Now make the same nonsense argument for trading mcdavid

 

[Nylanderthal]

Yes these are best 2 guys to move IF we can improve da team .. I would wait for new GM to move Mitch as this is a big hockey trade meant for a hockey guy not a spreadsheet guy .. I would wait on Kerfoot move until Mik comes back and we see he brings same speed to lineup (we are lacking in foot speed right now and losing Kerfoot will hurt lineup today)

Gonna be hard to replace what Kerfoot brings at 3.5 or Holl at 2m when he’s on. Ritchie is the plug that needs replacing.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Gonna be hard to replace what Kerfoot brings at 3.5 or Holl at 2m when he’s on. Ritchie is the plug that needs replacing.

Mik can replace Kerfoot i think
Holl is already a #7 on this team so a move to pick up a vet dman at $1M or less helps CAP hit
Ritchie is not replaceable if he plays da right way as this is not a tough team and we can be easily pushed around

 

[belair]

I don't see how trading Matthews extends the team's competitive window. As far as him being the only player we could trade to improve our depth, Marner says hi. That's Mitch Marner, or money Mitch to his friends.

Matthews has two years left until he has the ability to leverage the UFA market. Unless the cap somehow skyrockets at that point, the Leafs will continue to shed depth each year to hold onto their more impactful players. Also look at the age of guys like Muzzin and Brodie.

In regards to Marner, be realistic and look at the rest of the league. How many teams would be willing to pay an exorbitant price to add an $11m winger? The same goes for Nylander and Tavares as well. It's just not reasonable to assume that other teams would overvalue those assets.

They're all highly valuable contributors to the team, but as tradeable assets you're likely looking at salary coming back without the significant futures attached. You're not addressing multiple team needs by trading any of them and you're going to be giving up the more productive asset.

Trading Marner probably hurts the Leafs in the long run. The return you could reasonably expect wouldn't offset the level of talent they're losing.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Mik can replace Kerfoot i think
Holl is already a #7 on this team so a move to pick up a vet dman at $1M or less helps CAP hit
Ritchie is not replaceable if he plays da right way as this is not a tough team and we can be easily pushed around

Neither of those statements are true. Holl is the #4 on this team and there’s 0 chance soup can play C or put up 50point pace with 0 pp time.
“Toughness” is overrated only brain dead knuckle draggers think “toughness” accounts for much of anything in todays game. being hard on the puck is not the same as what you’re referring to, which is 80-90’s goon puck. if you want a liability on skates that can punch faces we have Simmonds Gabriel & Clifford who all bring more intensity and desire in their pinkie fingers than thicc nick has in his whole body.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Matthews has two years left until he has the ability to leverage the UFA market. Unless the cap somehow skyrockets at that point, the Leafs will continue to shed depth each year to hold onto their more impactful players. Also look at the age of guys like Muzzin and Brodie.

In regards to Marner, be realistic and look at the rest of the league. How many teams would be willing to pay an exorbitant price to add an $11m winger? The same goes for Nylander and Tavares as well. It's just not reasonable to assume that other teams would overvalue those assets.

They're all highly valuable contributors to the team, but as tradeable assets you're likely looking at salary coming back without the significant futures attached. You're not addressing multiple team needs by trading any of them and you're going to be giving up the more productive asset.

Trading Marner probably hurts the Leafs in the long run. The return you could reasonably expect wouldn't offset the level of talent they're losing.

I'm assuming Matthews stays. Of course if he's not staying that changes everything but until we learn otherwise, chances are he stays as it's rare for star players to change teams. All we need to do is win one round this spring, the city will go absolutely berserk and once he gets a taste of that he'll never want to leave.

Marner's an 11 million cap hit player but he's also 1'st team all-star who's under contract for years to come. He's roughly comparable to Eichel IMO in terms of value, except that there are zero questions about his health whereas there are huge questions about Eichel's health. I'm not assuming anyone will overvalue him, fair value for Marner is plenty.