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ZZamboni
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I don't care if he catches fire an scores 25 goals and 50 points for the rest of the year. I want Leino gone.
The upside to chosing either is you know they will both be hurt for a good chunk of the season.
That said, I would rather it be a #7 defenseman who gets paid and played accordingly than a mid-line forward who is just incapable of doing anything right right now.
That said, I would rather it be a #7 defenseman who gets paid and played accordingly than a mid-line forward who is just incapable of doing anything right right now.
Echoing the sentiments of everyone else, it's Sulzer. Not even a decision that any requires thought.
SabresFan26
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Yes, it has to be Sulzer.
As the seasons go by and each year of Leino's contract grows heavier by the weight of his incompetence, I stop and wonder what the hell Regier was thinking, if anything, when he signed Leino. The signing seems Milburyesque.
As the seasons go by and each year of Leino's contract grows heavier by the weight of his incompetence, I stop and wonder what the hell Regier was thinking, if anything, when he signed Leino. The signing seems Milburyesque.
They bid on a 50-point player who was widely thought to be the second best UFA forward available that summer in an attempt to garner talent and shake off the reputation the team had as being cheap. It wasn't THAT big of a screw up. Hell, it could be worse... the could be about to buy out the guy who was the #1 UFA that summer as it looks the Rangers will with Richards.
Rhett4
Buffalo Selects Jack
Yes, but that's what the Rangers do. I wouldn't expect anything less from Sather to try and spend his way out of his own inability. The Rangers did it with Redden, with Richards, and they did it with Holik. Hell, the Habs did them a favour when Gainey decided that Gomez would look better in Habs uniform instead of the Rangers.
At the time, I didn't think the Leino signing was terrible, just curious that they signed him off of a one-off season. Injuries haven't helped Leino's cause, but by god, he is right now a former husk of the player they thought they signed.
Husk is a great way to describe him.
I think a talented lineup would allow Leino to be what he was with Flyers -- secondary scoring who can make the most out of mismatches. Here he's being asked to be much more than that and his warts are showing. That was a deep Flyer team, where he was getting easier assignments since Richards and Carter were handling the heavy lifting and allowing Lavvy to put Ville-Briere-Hartnell out against lesser lines or start in the offensive zone. Back in that situation, I think he'd probably return to 40-50 point form.
That isn't happening here. Maybe they should see if the Oilers want him...
Shoey
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I don't have any issues keeping Leino around when the team is going to need help to get to the floor... maybe it's just me, but I think his asinine contract is a positive moving forward on a rebuilding team.
Shoey
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It's like having around a constant reminder of just how bad things can get from an organizational standpoint. You already paid for the lesson. Let Leino be the cautionary tale.
ZZamboni
Puttin' on the Foil
You can't think there's absolutely positively no way we get to the cap floor unless we have Leino on the team.
My view .... Of course it's not impossible. Then the answer is quite simple. You move him.
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Shoey
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I had the same thought immediately after posting that. There's more than enough legal circumvention that can be made by overpaying on 1 year deals if need be. I don't need to keep a bad player at a bad number just because of the rebuild.
On the flipside, we're going to have a hell of a time reaching the cap floor if we buy out Leino/Stafford. I think I'd rather keep them as 3rd line wingers than go out and sign some more garbage UFAs. Guess I'll stick with the current mistake instead of going out and making more.
Barring some major trade (in which the timing would be completely off for a team in the process of rebuilding), we might have to suck it up and keep them. Even with that dead weight we're hardly reaching the cap floor.
Barring some major trade (in which the timing would be completely off for a team in the process of rebuilding), we might have to suck it up and keep them. Even with that dead weight we're hardly reaching the cap floor.
cramdizzl
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I don't understand the Leino hate. He is a 3rd liner that got paid like a Top Sixer, his capabilities just don't match the contract. How does that make him poison? Its not like he's bad in the locker room, or a bad influence when it comes to work ethic, he is who he is. We need his cap hit to reach the floor, so my pick is to keep Leino. We need forwards much more than D, simple.
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I CHOOSE SULZER (Why are we shouting?)
I don't like Leino's attitude or lack of accountability. I don't know him personally, just picking that up from some of the comments from his interviews. Sulzer seems to understand why his role is what it is and what he needs to do to get into the lineup (i.e. play well and either be on a bad team or wait for a bunch of better defensemen to get hurt)
I don't like Leino's attitude or lack of accountability. I don't know him personally, just picking that up from some of the comments from his interviews. Sulzer seems to understand why his role is what it is and what he needs to do to get into the lineup (i.e. play well and either be on a bad team or wait for a bunch of better defensemen to get hurt)
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Wisent42
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How come it's between Leino and Sulzer? Does this mean Stafford is already gone in this hypothetical question, or what? Between Leino and Sulzer I'd keep Sulzer, but I would keep Leino over Stafford because atleast Leino gets hurt a lot which means for periods of time he still wouldn't be dressed.
