If We Win Draft Lottery: Lafreniere or Byfield?

[jaywills1020]

I like By, but its LaF.

Sabes the only team I see w/assets I want to even think about a trade:
1OA + CAR 2020 1st + NYR 2020 2nd + Lias + Smith
for
Dahlin + 8OA + BUF 2021 1st unprotected + Cozens + Hutton

something like that.

I mean LaF w/Kreider + Zib!!!

And in 2 months you’ll be making trade proposals involving these players.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Ehh, an offer like that would definitely tempt me, but probably still ultimately lean towards the no side.

We have the first overall pick and can take our own franchise forward for once. Unless we’re getting like McDavid, MacKinnon, or a Lindtos package it’s just an immediate no from me. f*** quantity

 

[Polar Bear]

I asked “for shits and giggles”.

I get it, your fan base is on a high right now after the lottery win. But in reality everyone’s available and we have the assets and desire to get the player. Don’t be shocked if a godfather offer comes in, and it’s something like KK, Romanov, a 1st and Poehling- a deal any reasonable GM would consider.

Consider and accepting are different things. How often do you see the number 1 pick moved, yet alone when its a layer ahead above the rest? Don't be surprised if no such offer is accepted, and if it is, it's for MUCH more than you think it would be.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Consider and accepting are different things. How often do you see the number 1 pick moved, yet alone when its a layer ahead above the rest? Don't be surprised if no such offer is accepted, and if it is, it's for MUCH more than you think it would be.

Let’s say Laf is Taylor Hall. You really don’t think that package is worth it? If anything it’s an overpay which we do because of the French factor.

 

[Edge]

I asked “for shits and giggles”.

I get it, your fan base is on a high right now after the lottery win. But in reality everyone’s available and we have the assets and desire to get the player. Don’t be shocked if a godfather offer comes in, and it’s something like KK, Romanov, a 1st and Poehling- a deal any reasonable GM would consider.

I think the challenge with that offer is the Rangers are trading a potential franchise player who makes everyone around him better, and in return they are getting two players the calibre of which would fit the criteria for being made better with Lafreniere.

So they get two attractive parts, but they just traded the type of player who make those parts better. Poehling is a good but not great prospect, and your first is potentially a mid to late first.

I don't see the Rangers trading someone who easily projects to be "the guy" for a bunch of prospects who project as the types who "play alongside the guy". That seems somewhat counter-productive.

 

[Polar Bear]

Let’s say Laf is Taylor Hall. You really don’t think that package is worth it? If anything it’s an overpay which we do because of the French factor.

We won't operate a trade on what Laf's value is if he doesn't reach his ceiling, that's just foolish.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I think the challenge with that offer is the Rangers are trading a potential franchise player who makes everyone around him better, and in return they are getting two players the calibre of which would fit the criteria for being made better with Lafreniere.

So they get two attractive parts, but they just traded the type of player who make those parts better. Poehling is an good but not great prospect, and your first is potentially a mid to late first.

I don't see the Rangers trading someone who easily projects to be "the guy" for a bunch of prospects who project as the types who "play alongside the guy". That seems somewhat counter-productive.

Let’s say Laf becomes Taylor Hall. Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. As good as Hall is, he’s still a LW, and like it or not those guys aren’t as valuable.

One of KK/Suzuki (future 1C)
One of Caufield/Romanov (top 10 prospect)
Our 1st (likely 16)
Poehling (former 1st rounder)


That’s a tremendous package.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Let’s say Laf becomes Taylor Hall. Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. As good as Hall is, he’s still a LW, and like it or not those guys aren’t as valuable.

Okay then we don’t f***ing trade him lmfao

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Let’s say Laf is Taylor Hall. You really don’t think that package is worth it? If anything it’s an overpay which we do because of the French factor.

You’re really doing some mental gymnastics here to convince yourself you aren’t delusional

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

You’re really doing some mental gymnastics here to convince yourself you aren’t delusional

The irony here is beautiful lol

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Let’s say Laf becomes Taylor Hall. Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. As good as Hall is, he’s still a LW, and like it or not those guys aren’t as valuable.

One of KK/Suzuki (future 1C)
One of Caufield/Romanov (top 10 prospect)
Our 1st (likely 16)
Poehling (former 1st rounder)


That’s a tremendous package.

For me to even think about a trade, I'd want one of KK/Suzuki (probably Suzuki), both Caufield and Romanov, 2 1st round picks and Poehling.

Especially if Laf becomes a Pat Kane type player with more physicality.

 

[Polar Bear]

Title of this thread really should be changed. There is no chance it's Byfield unless we made a trade with LA to move down to 2 for a stupid offer.

 

[duhmetreE]

@Kovalev27

 

[Edge]

Let’s say Laf becomes Taylor Hall. Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. As good as Hall is, he’s still a LW, and like it or not those guys aren’t as valuable.

One of KK/Suzuki (future 1C)
One of Caufield/Romanov (top 10 prospect)
Our 1st (likely 16)
Poehling (former 1st rounder)


That’s a tremendous package.

Well, I'll disagree on a few points here.

First of all, the Hall for Larsson was widely seen as a poor trade and had a very clear winner --- the team that walked away with Hall. If anything, that's a cautionary tale about making this type of move, not an endorsement.

I personally do not view KK as a future 1C. I never have. I was not a big fan of his draft day, and I don't think the Rangers were head over heels for him either. So that's not going to entice a move.

Suzuki and Caufield have a chance to very good players. But neither one of them is a franchise player, or realistically even close to one. Again, if I'm trading a player whose presence reverberates up and down the lineup, I can't do it for the type of guys who I'd want to benefit from that type of reverberation.

A mid-first is nice, but I don't really need a mid-round level prospect.

Poehling is a former first, but that doesn't mean to me at this point. I evaluate him based on what he's do since and what he projects to be. And right now, that's looking at a middle to bottom six forward --- with some work to get there.

There's really nothing in that package that screams elite, let alone franchise player. If the roles were reversed, there's no way Montreal makes that trade.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Title of this thread really should be changed. There is no chance it's Byfield unless we made a trade with LA to move down to 2 for a stupid offer

.

. Exactly. Unless we are only moving down one spot and also receiving insane compensation fine but I don’t see it happening

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Well, I'll disagree on a few points here.

First of all, the Hall for Larsson was widely seen as a poor trade and had a very clear winner --- the team that walked away with Hall. If anything, that's a cautionary tale about making this type of move, not an endorsement.

I personally do not view KK as a future 1C. I never have. I was not a big fan of his draft day, and I don't think the Rangers were head over heels for him either. So that's not going to entice a move.

Suzuki and Caufield have a chance to very good players. But neither one of them is a franchise player, or realistically even close to one. Again, if I'm trading a player whose presence reverberates up and down the lineup, I can't do it for the type of guys who I'd want to benefit from that type of reverberation.

A mid-first is nice, but I don't really need a mid-round level prospect.

Poehling is a former first, but that doesn't mean to me at this point. I evaluate him based on what he's do since and what he projects to be. And right now, that's looking at a middle to bottom six forward --- with some work to get there.

There's really nothing in that package that screams elite, let alone franchise player. If the roles were reversed, there's no way Montreal makes that trade.

Thank you for the reasonable response.

I would like to add though that while Poehling had a rough year, he was looking great prior to a concussion in preseason that derailed his season. He’s still a very quality prospect and last season shouldn’t take that away. Both KK and Suzuki are 20 year old 2Cs with definite 1C upsides. Caufield is a top 10 prospect in hockey with an all time great goal scoring pedigree and looks like he could compete for Rocket Richard trophy’s in the future.

I think those 4 pieces would be a very strong offer, but you are free to disagree.

 

[Puckclektr]

Devils fan coming in peace. Don’t hate the rangers as I live in Toronto and have no reason too.
You have to take the BPA but I think that the Rangers May have a case for a team that doesn’t. I’ll explain.
1. This is probably The most depth I’ve seen on a young roster with prospects in my 44 years. If there’s any team that could Get away with not taking the best player available in exchange for needs it would be the Rangers.
2. The Kings might bite on a trade. They need prospects on the wing as they have Turcotte and Vilardi at centre currently.

I like Chytil and think he can be a #2 but I don’t think everyone is in board with that. Although if Laf is drafted having Deep wings isn’t going to be an issue with a weaker centre. Not to mention Zibby is only signed two more years. Rangers might not be competitive next year due to youth and then The year after that they should be near the top of the league with only one year of Zibby. You have to assume he cashes in and you are left with 3-4 top wingers and no top centre

Byfield is also almost a whole year younger than Laf. Put this years Laf up against Next years Byfield and give byfield a two month advantage and see how the draft would shape out.
I’ve been watching byfield play for about 5 years since minor hockey.
Best player to come out of the OHL since McDavid.
I’m sure LA would easily trade up one spot for their second pick. They have three seconds.
I understand it’s tough decision. You ALWAYS take the BPA. I’m not saying that it should be done, but I think if there ever was a good opportunity to do it, this would be it.

 

[Trxjw]

"Reasonable" isn't something that should be associated with trading the 1st overall pick. There would also be a marketing tax if Montreal was going to get into the bidding. Giving them a bonafide Quebecois superstar? Pay through the nose or don't come to the table. 3 or 4 "pretty good" assets doesn't cover it and I don't think the Habs have the elite pieces to make it enticing.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Wow I’m so looking forward to other teams fans coming in here every 5 minutes and telling us why we should trade away our right to select a homegrown franchise player for the next however long until the draft

 

[aufheben]

Added bonus of The Great Quebec Hope not ending up on the Canadiens.

Wow I’m so looking forward to other teams fans coming in here every 5 minutes and telling us why we should trade away our right to select a homegrown franchise player for the next however long until the draft

Dont act like it’s not worth it.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Added bonus of The Great Quebec Hope not ending up on the Canadiens.

Dont act like it’s not worth it.

Oh it’s worth it and it just makes me hate Habs fans even more which I never thought was possible

 

[yrrebbor]

Lafrenier is the top scorer, but I have a gut feeling that we'll take Byfield since we need better centers, and the team would become more diverse like NYC really is.

We have Kreider, Buchnevic, Panarin, and Lemieux at LW already, and really just Fast and Kakko on RW. If Buchnevic or Krieder plays RW, we still need a real 2C. Mika is obviously our 1C and Chytil is passable, but is really a 3/4C. Howden and Strome are completely expendable, and Byfield would be a huge addition to the team.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

You have Mika as your prime 1C with Panarin. But finding a 2C who can grow into a 1C with Kakko seems logical.

if one team if going to make that “godfather” offer for Lafreniere, it’s Montreal. I’m just curious what you would want in that offer.

Make an Eric Lindros-like trade proposal.

And that is about what we'd want.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I just wanna say that this was the 2nd year in a row I didn’t watch the lottery. Last year I forgot it was on and found out from HFBoards. This time I purposely didn’t watch, but since HFBoards was crashing I found out from Facebook. Maybe not the same visceral reaction I would have had watching it live but hey it worked. So you have me to thank.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Lafrenier is the top scorer, but I have a gut feeling that we'll take Byfield since we need better centers, and the team would become more diverse like NYC really is.

The f*** does that have to do with a franchise-changing draft pick?