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The lottery draft is being held Friday. It goes first 7 teams not in the playoffs and 8 teams that lose their qualifier.

If say for instance, a team that lost in the qualifier gets first pick overall, the prize is Lafreniere. Thats a Crosby-esque type player.

Could a team decide to tank on purpose to get that player?

We will know tomorrow night for sure, but if a team that loses in the qualifier gets selected first, things will surely happen. If one of the 7 teams wins the lottery, then the point is moot.
 
Professional NHLers dont lose on purpose so a kid in junior can be drafted to them and pray that he single handedly turns the franchise they play for around. That's basically admitting to themselves that they are garbage players

I wouldnt doubt if some pieces of management secretly hope at times so years, but not a chance current players would.
 
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About the only way this would happen is management secretly infected their team with Covid. I highly doubt that is going to happen.

The players don't care about draft picks either, if anything I'd think getting better draft picks is more a negative to them as it means they didn't come close to their goals for the year
 
Skinnyjimmy08 said:
Professional NHLers dont lose on purpose so a kid in junior can be drafted to them and pray that he single handedly turns the franchise they play for around. That's basically admitting to themselves that they are garbage players

I wouldnt doubt if some pieces of management secretly hope at times so years, but not a chance current players would.
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You're right, no chance these competitive players lose on purpose, but there are managerial ways to tank your team like playing a back up goalie or messing with your d.
 
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I thought the premise of the drawing was that the teams that are involved in the play in round have had a letter assigned to them, without them knowing what their letter is. So the draft order would be based on what numbers roll out of the machine. There is no way for a team playing in the play in to know what their draft position is, so there is no incentive for them to intentionally lose.
 
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NovaLeaf said:
The lottery draft is being held Friday. It goes first 7 teams not in the playoffs and 8 teams that lose their qualifier.

If say for instance, a team that lost in the qualifier gets first pick overall, the prize is Lafreniere. Thats a Crosby-esque type player.

Could a team decide to tank on purpose to get that player?

We will know tomorrow night for sure, but if a team that loses in the qualifier gets selected first, things will surely happen. If one of the 7 teams wins the lottery, then the point is moot.
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Please explain.
 
Khelandros said:
I thought the premise of the drawing was that the teams that are involved in the play in round have had a letter assigned to them, without them knowing what their letter is. So the draft order would be based on what numbers roll out of the machine. There is no way for a team playing in the play in to know what their draft position is, so there is no incentive for them to intentionally lose.
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Not quite, Teams A-H are being used to represent the 8 slots in the lottery that would normally be held by teams in slots 8-15 (counting worst to first) . If one of teams A-H wins one of the top three picks, it is simply placeholder and the pick could eventually go to any of the 8 losers of the qualifying round. If one or more of the top 3 picks is won by one of those placeholder teams, there will be second draft lottery with just the eight losers from the qualifying round. In that lottery, each team has an equal chance of winning placeholder picks. So, if, for example, Team D wins the first overall pick, that just means that one of the 8 qualifying round losers will get the pick and no one will know the precise team until after the second lottery.
 
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rojac said:
Not quite, Teams A-H are being used to represent the 8 slots in the lottery that would normally be held by teams in slots 8-15 (counting worst to first) . If one of teams A-H wins one of the top three picks, it is simply placeholder and the pick could eventually go to any of the 8 losers of the qualifying round. If one or more of the top 3 picks is won by one of those placeholder teams, there will be second draft lottery with just the eight losers from the qualifying round. In that lottery, each team has an equal chance of winning placeholder picks. So, if, for example, Team D wins the first overall pick, that just means that one of the 8 qualifying round losers will get the pick and no one will know the precise team until after the second lottery.
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That's pretty much what I was trying to say. It's a complicated way of saying that there is no guarantee to tanking.
 
NovaLeaf said:
Thats a Crosby-esque type player.
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No scout is talking up Lafreniere as being crosby-esque. Someone else here posted about being on the same caliber as Taylor Hall, that may be more accurate. I could see this being one of those draft years where the 1OA does not end up being the best NHLer in a few years. Byfield is a year younger, and when he develops a little more, he could easily be the better player. Holtz may be the best goal scorer in this whole draft class and he will go closer to 10OA.
 
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GeeoffBrown said:
Is LaFreniere really Crosby-like? Hype feels slightly less than a Taylor Hall.

Not worth losing a chance at the cup.
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Crosby like, Yakupov like, anything in between... what’s the difference? I imagine Lafreniere is in the Hall - Eichel range (even though Eich wasn’t 1OV) but there’s no guarantees, and no team of NHL players is throwing a single game for a 1:8 shot at drafting a guy who might be as good as Hall. In a couple years.
 
NovaLeaf said:
You're right, no chance these competitive players lose on purpose, but there are managerial ways to tank your team like playing a back up goalie or messing with your d.
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You can extend what was said about the players to a teams coach. The time for a team's management to 'intentionally' try and improve their draft position ends after the trade deadline.
 
I don't see it happening simply if a Placeholder team wins 1OA.
Maybe if placeholder teams win all three picks. That'd be a ~43% chance of winning a top 3 pick.
Also, of course, the players wouldn't be tanking, it'd be management making bad decisions who would be tanking.
 
I know people like to speculate on this, but how realistic is it? The players won't half ass it for a better draft pick. Coaches don't play to lose, unless they want to lose their job. GMs can affect this over a season by making changes to the team and organization, but that doesn't apply here. Tanking just won't happen. Collapses might, but it won't be a situation where teams try to lose.
 
I think if anything, it takes a slight bit of sting off losing in the Qualification round if you know you now have a 12.5% chance of drafting LaFreniere compared to what you had before. Sure you'll be pissed you're out of the Playoffs, but for a team like Chicago or Montreal who are playing with house money now anyway? Why not.
 
Coaches and players don't like to lose.

Management may have a different motivation though.

I guess it boils down to what could they do to try to lose. Play the back-up goalie, or give the best line less ice team I suppose.
 
What about UFAs who are playing for a contract next year? What's their incentive to tank?
 
correct me if I am wrong, but there is a second lotto to be held after the play in is done
 
If you’re one of the 12 forwards on the team, I’m not sure you’d want to throw the match so your team can draft Lafreniere to replace you. Or if you’re a coach I don’t know if you want to lose the game, lose your job so your replacement has the benefit of using Lafreniere next year when you’re collecting unemployment.

But as a fan it would be a sweet consolation prize.
 
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NovaLeaf said:
You're right, no chance these competitive players lose on purpose, but there are managerial ways to tank your team like playing a back up goalie or messing with your d.
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No coach is going to do that either, and an owner or gm who tells his coach to play the back up is going to be exposed.
 
Dr Quincy said:
No coach is going to do that either, and an owner or gm who tells his coach to play the back up is going to be exposed.
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Exactly. This isn't like a traditional tank where the GM creates a substandard roster at the beginning of the year or trades players at the deadline. The roster is set. Any funny business would be really obvious.
 
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