If MTL/TOR/OTT had a redraft, what would your top 10 look like?

[John Mandalorian]

Any constructive reason beyond point totals that make you feel this is way off? Considering Guhle is a closer to a DFD and Sanderson an OFD.

Sanderson has had a brutal year defensively albeit he is stapled to Hamonic.

Guhle has been playing line blender, close to half his shifts on his offside on one of the most inconsistent defensive teams and has been putting up strong defensive metrics (relatively).

Guhle @ 5.5m / Sanderson @ 8m.
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Not comparing the teams, comparing the players in a fantasy redraft - read the title.



Not that this is a pissing contest, but the Habs players are the only ones who have gone on a deep playoff run (merit of how they got in aside) - Leafs are regular season superstars though, that's true!




Personally just think a healthy 90-100+ point player on that contract is slightly more valuable than 13.25x4 Matthews with mystery health issues (wrist, presumably)



Agreed - single game, single season, Matthews/Marner/Nylander are my top 3 - but we are accounting for their contracts and age.



Think Stutzle > Nylander but agree with Matthews/Marner being cream of the crop - but Marner pending UFA and Matthews is on a 13x4 contract.

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S/O to everyone who is engaging in good faith and not making snarky comments - this is just a for fun discussion, it's okay if people don't agree with my POV

Marner is the biggest paper tiger in the league. You’re severely overrating him.

 

[HockeyVirus]

And never won 3 rounds ever.

Where is your list

Nah these kind of threads get me in trouble. I already nibbled the bait too much going to back out

 

[Golden_Jet]

Nah these kind of threads get me in trouble. I already nibbled the bait too much going to back out

It’s just a list lol, but ok

 

[Senscore]

 

[Sens9292]

Are we talking about the same Marner that Leafs fans wanted to shoot into the sun last May?

Same story every year. Marner is the main reason for every Leafs playoff loss but is praised come fall.

 

[Sting]

1. Hutson
2. Caufield
3. Suzuki
4. Slaf
5. Guhle
6. idk Matthews maybe?
7. Stutzle
8. Montembeault

Not sure about last 2.

 

[Face Of Bear]

Matthews - GOAT
Marner - assistant GOAT
Nylander - alternate GOAT
Tkachuk - Big and fights
Suzuki - Good 2C
Caufield - Phil Kessel lite
Stutzle - more talent than heart
Guhle/Sanderson - probably dont belong on this list at all
Hutson - hasn't scored a goal in his career

 

[Leafs87]

Matthews
Tkachuk
Sanderson
Stutzle
Nylander
Marner
Suzuki
Guhle
Caufield

Too early to tell on Hutson. Let’s discuss after his first injury. Those types of players change their games completely. Also even with his current game, these types don’t contribute much come playoffs. karlsson, Makar, Hughes did not solely rely on their offence quite to the degree Hutson does. Hesikanen in a totally different tier all together defensively. Silly to even compare those 2

 

[Sypher04]

Including age and contracts is kinda nonsensical if we’re calling this a redraft.

All that ever accomplishes is elevating players that aren’t as good in the ranking

 

[Bring Bak Damphousse]

This is old news they were in the 2nd round 1.5 years ago.

Oh yeah? Howd they do?

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Same story every year. Marner is the main reason for every Leafs playoff loss but is praised come fall.

Yep. Wash-rinse-repeat.

 

[TBF1972]

1. Hutson
2. Caufield
3. Suzuki
4. Slaf
5. Guhle
6. idk Matthews maybe?
7. Stutzle
8. Montembeault

Not sure about last 2.

can you please put josh anderson at #1?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I wouldn't include any of these guys in my top 10 but Knies, Batherson and Ullmark are solid "off-the-board" picks.

 

[SpezDispenser]

1. Matthews - Best overall player
2. Stutzle - Young with great potential
3. Tkachuk - With a true team, he is absolutely a critical top line player on a playoff run that you would want
4. Marner - Top line player.
5. Sanderson - Top pairing D
6. Nylander - Top line forward
7. Suzuki - Center, good two way player
8. Caufield - Young goal scoring second line player with good PP metrics
9. Hutson - PP QB and offensive focused defenseman. Im not as high on him as others
10. Slaf - Young PF with potential

This is a good list IMO.

 

[bud12]

Sanderson is still riding his 5ov hype.

 

[NyQuil]

The amount of butthurt in this hypothetical thread is silly.

If you want to put 10 Leafs as your top ten there is absolutely nothing stopping you.

Sanderson is still riding his 5ov hype.

He’s having a rough year after a good start.

Having Zub out so much hasn’t helped as he’s had to play with lesser guys who shouldn’t be in the top 4.

 

[ole ole]

This is old news they were in the 2nd round 1.5 years ago.

I guess that's old news now.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I don't care for the rigged game the OP is playing.

Why would anyone be re-drafted due to contract negotiations?

In a vacuum most people would have Matthews, Marner, Nylander, etc. near the top. But the debate just goes to the person who's "best value". Yeah you don't have to love Marner, but people are already giving him an overpaid 13 million beside his name. What? So more accurate crystal ball and hindsight re-draft?

If these teams did a do-over on drafting and the 1 criteria is value (with the power of hindsight), then none of these players should be drafted. You might have Woll there instead of Tkachuk.

 

[Pavels Dog]

As a Habs fan, my top 10 would probably be:


1. Stutzle - if he stops diving he could be a crowd favourite such an excellent player
2. Matthews - contract/wrist scare me but he's the best player on this list AINEC
3. Hutson - ELC + I have watched enough to know he will be in that Hughes/Makar/Josi/Fox tier of production
4. Nylander - Pre-COVID I wanted a Weber/Nylander swap so badly - such an elite player who loves the big moments
5. Caufield - Caufield is nowhere near his final level of development - I expect him to be a mini Marty by his late 20s
6. Tkachuk - A dying breed of power forward pest on a great contract
7. Marner - I still think he's one of the best two-way wingers in the league but expiring contract/big money
8. Guhle/Sanderson (interchangeable - Guhle gives me elite #2 DFD, Sanderson could be a real #1 who runs the show, Guhle better contract)
10. Suzuki - Most underrated forward in the Atlantic IMO (biased opinion but it is what it is)

This is the worst ranking of all time

 

[Atomos2]

1. Matthews - Best overall player
2. Stutzle - Young with great potential
3. Tkachuk - With a true team, he is absolutely a critical top line player on a playoff run that you would want
4. Marner - Top line player.
5. Sanderson - Top pairing D
6. Nylander - Top line forward
7. Suzuki - Center, good two way player
8. Caufield - Young goal scoring second line player with good PP metrics
9. Hutson - PP QB and offensive focused defenseman. Im not as high on him as others
10. Slaf - Young PF with potential

So in other words
1) Actual
2) Potential
3) Potential
4) Actual
5) Potential
6) Actual
7) Actual
8) Actual
9) Potential
10) Potential

 

[Korpse]

Stutzle - more talent than heart

As skilled as Stutzle is, the guy is a workhorse. I’d say he has more heart than talent.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

So in other words
1) Actual
2) Potential
3) Potential
4) Actual
5) Potential
6) Actual
7) Actual
8) Actual
9) Potential
10) Potential

What is potential about a 90 point season at 20 and pacing for 100 at 22?

 

[Golden_Jet]

So in other words
1) Actual
2) Potential
3) Potential
4) Actual
5) Potential
6) Actual
7) Actual
8) Actual
9) Potential
10) Potential

Oof lol
Where is your list.

 

[That Habs Fan]

I'm not going to post a list of my own, I'm just going to say that not having Matthews 1st is one of the funniest things I've seen on this board (which is saying a lot).

 

[Golden_Jet]

What is potential about a 90 point season at 20 and pacing for 100 at 22?

Ya but Marner got 61 at 20
And 69 at 21, that was his actual at that age