If MTL/TOR/OTT had a redraft, what would your top 10 look like?

[Mackiaveli]

*DISCLAIMER some folks seem to be confused - this is not a "who is the best player" or "how do you rank the players" it's how would you as a fan do a top 10 draft list if these teams were forced to throw their players into the pool and snake draft new rosters.

Assuming the three Eastern Canada teams in fantasy land entered a re-draft including all active roster NHLers (exg: no Demidov, Yakemchuk, Cowan) how do you think the top 10 would fall? Accounting for age, contract duration/$ amount. This is totally for fun and given the fanbases this is going to go one of two ways lol

As a Habs fan, my top 10 would probably be:

1. Stutzle - if he stops diving he could be a crowd favourite such an excellent player
2. Matthews - contract/wrist scare me but he's the best player on this list AINEC
3. Hutson - ELC + I have watched enough to know he will be in that Hughes/Makar/Josi/Fox tier of production
4. Nylander - Pre-COVID I wanted a Weber/Nylander swap so badly - such an elite player who loves the big moments
5. Caufield - Caufield is nowhere near his final level of development - I expect him to be a mini Marty by his late 20s
6. Tkachuk - A dying breed of power forward pest on a great contract
7. Marner - I still think he's one of the best two-way wingers in the league but expiring contract/big money
8. Guhle/Sanderson (interchangeable - Guhle gives me elite #2 DFD, Sanderson could be a real #1 who runs the show, Guhle better contract)
10. Suzuki - Most underrated forward in the Atlantic IMO (biased opinion but it is what it is)

H.Ms:
Slaf - has not proven enough yet to be more valuable than any of the above
Knies - I suspect he will be a cup winning power forward for an American team with warm weather one day
Batherson - Probably my #11 - think Stutzle/Brady contribute to his point total a lot but a great player in his own right

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[The Devilish Buffoon]

"Sanderson/Guhle interchangeable" lol

 

[John Mandalorian]

Hutson needs to do it longer. There’s not a book on him yet. You need to wait and see what happens when he starts getting banged around by grown men.

Caufield is too high. Guhle isn’t high enough.

Your rivalry bias is clouding your judgment on 1 and 2. Stützle has enormous talent but hasn’t put it together yet. Matthews is close to having a HOF career. His consistent goal scoring is a bird in the hand to Stützle’s bird in the Bush.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Stutzle
Caufield
Tkachuk
Hutson
Slafkovsky
Sanderson


Yeah I'm a biased Leafs fan, but I really do think their guys are the three best players.

I could be convinced of Stutzle over Marner and Nylander though, I think it's incredibly close and I'm a big fan. Ultimately I think Marner's defense and Nylander's goal scoring put them above him by a hair.

I really like the potential of Slaf, Sanderson and Hutson. I think they're going to be really good players.

 

[CowbellConray]

1. Matthews - Best overall player
2. Stutzle - Young with great potential
3. Tkachuk - With a true team, he is absolutely a critical top line player on a playoff run that you would want
4. Marner - Top line player.
5. Sanderson - Top pairing D
6. Nylander - Top line forward
7. Suzuki - Center, good two way player
8. Caufield - Young goal scoring second line player with good PP metrics
9. Hutson - PP QB and offensive focused defenseman. Im not as high on him as others
10. Slaf - Young PF with potential

 

[HockeyVirus]

Why is Toronto being compared with teams who can't sniff the playoffs? And why are you ranking guys who have proven less than Toronto's players ahead of them?

It's just sad when fans try and pretend because they haven't been in the final 4 they are basically the same as teams who can't escape the bottom 10.

Edit: Just noticed Hutson ranked ahead of Marner and Nylander LMFAO

 

[Maitz]

Matthews
Stutzle
Marner
Tkachuk
Nylander
Sanderson
Suzuki
Caufield
Hutson
Slafkovsky

 

[Mackiaveli]

"Sanderson/Guhle interchangeable" lol

Any constructive reason beyond point totals that make you feel this is way off? Considering Guhle is a closer to a DFD and Sanderson an OFD.

Sanderson has had a brutal year defensively albeit he is stapled to Hamonic.

Guhle has been playing line blender, close to half his shifts on his offside on one of the most inconsistent defensive teams and has been putting up strong defensive metrics (relatively).

Guhle @ 5.5m / Sanderson @ 8m.
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Why is Toronto being compared with teams who can't sniff the playoffs?

Not comparing the teams, comparing the players in a fantasy redraft - read the title.

And why are you ranking guys who have proven less than Toronto's players ahead of them?

Not that this is a pissing contest, but the Habs players are the only ones who have gone on a deep playoff run (merit of how they got in aside) - Leafs are regular season superstars though, that's true!

Stützle has enormous talent but hasn’t put it together yet.

Personally just think a healthy 90-100+ point player on that contract is slightly more valuable than 13.25x4 Matthews with mystery health issues (wrist, presumably)

Matthews is close to having a HOF career

Agreed - single game, single season, Matthews/Marner/Nylander are my top 3 - but we are accounting for their contracts and age.

Yeah I'm a biased Leafs fan, but I really do think their guys are the three best players.

Think Stutzle > Nylander but agree with Matthews/Marner being cream of the crop - but Marner pending UFA and Matthews is on a 13x4 contract.

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S/O to everyone who is engaging in good faith and not making snarky comments - this is just a for fun discussion, it's okay if people don't agree with my POV

 

[ACC1224]

Not having Matthews and Marner 1 and 2 invalidates the thread.

 

[Mackiaveli]

Not having Matthews and Marner 1 and 2 invalidates the thread.

So just to confirm, you step up to the podium at 2OA and with your pick you are drafting Marner with 1 year left on his contract over Stutzle who is locked up for another 6 years after this one?

 

[Breakers]

Hutson with 2 years of ELC is ranked higher than Nylander

LOL

 

[TheDoldrums]

So just to confirm, you step up to the podium at 2OA and with your pick you are drafting Marner with 1 year left on his contract over Stutzle who is locked up for another 6 years after this one?

If I’m a good team that players want to play for like the Leafs? Easily.

If I’m a bad team that historically loses their stars like Ottawa, it’s a different story.

Value is different to different franchises in different circumstances.

 

[Mackiaveli]

Hutson with 2 years of ELC is ranked higher than Nylander

LOL

I value 12m in cap space a lot - not to say Nylander isn't worth the money but 11.5x8 (UFA - Winger) vs 900k x2 into 8-9m for 8yrs (Defenseman) is a convo worth having.


In 2019/2020 would you take Quinn Hughes over Panarin? What about today?

If I’m the Leafs? Easily.

Do you think the delta between Stutzle and Marner is worth the 4.5m cap space extra Marner will take up?

It’s almost like value can be different in different circumstances making exercises like this silly.

Yeah that's the whole point of it - it's a hockey board where we are talking about a stupid, theoretical, never-going-to-happen hockey scenario to see how different fanbases rank their players as well as the players of some of their largest rivals. Of course it's 'silly'.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Matthews
Stutzle
Tkachuk
Nylander
Marner
Sanderson
Suzuki
Batherson
Caufield
Slafkovsky

 

[TheDoldrums]

Yeah that's the whole point of it - it's a hockey board where we are talking about a stupid, theoretical, never-going-to-happen hockey scenario to see how different fanbases rank their players as well as the players of some of their largest rivals. Of course it's 'silly'.

Except this isn't ranking the players. That would make Montreals look too bad. This is ranking the "assets" as if all teams would value them equally. But Toronto, a win now team, would never have Lane Hutson that high. They don't care about 6 years from now and they are not going to play this guy a ton of minutes on a defensive minded team with all veteran players in the top 4. Berube is not playing this kid many minutes. So a 3rd place ranking for him in terms of how Toronto would value him is laughable.

If this was done with a bunch of rebuilding teams, the comparisons would be more even. MTL/OTT/BUF/DET would value players similarly. Toronto would value players similarly to FLA/TB

 

[Bring Bak Damphousse]

Why is Toronto being compared with teams who can't sniff the playoffs? And why are you ranking guys who have proven less than Toronto's players ahead of them?

It's just sad when fans try and pretend because they haven't been in the final 4 they are basically the same as teams who can't escape the bottom 10.

Edit: Just noticed Hutson ranked ahead of Marner and Nylander LMFAO

You should try sniffing round 2 before you start spouting off about playoffs, Suzuki and Caufield have both made it to the 4th round as impact players, let me know when your superior forwards come close to that success

 

[ACC1224]

So just to confirm, you step up to the podium at 2OA and with your pick you are drafting Marner with 1 year left on his contract over Stutzle who is locked up for another 6 years after this one?

Marner isn't looking to retire

 

[Mackiaveli]

as if all teams would value them equally.

Well, seeing how all the teams would be starting off on the same foot...

That would make Montreals look too bad

TIL three years into a rebuild, players on the team I like are worse than a team with three 12+ million dollar players that they drafted after being a bottom feeder for a decade. Very surprising outcome, truly.

Toronto, a win now team

In real life - sure. In this hypothetical they have no players.

defensive minded team with veteran players like Tanev/McCabe/Rielly/OEL in the top 4

You really didn't get the assignment, eh?

Marner isn't looking to retire

Of course but is 13m Marner @ 27 for 5 years more valuable to you than Stutzle @ 22 for 5 more years at 8m? If so, that is totally fine, but let's not pretend it isn't going to be answered differently by different folks.

 

[dgibb10]

Switch Sanderson and Hutson

Switch Suzuki and Caufield

 

[ACC1224]

Well, seeing how all the teams would be starting off on the same foot...



TIL three years into a rebuild, players on the team I like are worse than a team with three 12+ million dollar players that they drafted after being a bottom feeder for a decade. Very surprising outcome, truly.




In real life - sure. In this hypothetical they have no players.



You really didn't get the assignment, eh?



Of course but is 13m Marner @ 27 for 5 years more valuable to you than Stutzle @ 22 for 5 more years at 8m? If so, that is totally fine, but let's not pretend it isn't going to be answered differently by different folks.

Yes, Marner is more valuable than Stutzle.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Are we talking about the same Marner that Leafs fans wanted to shoot into the sun last May?

 

[NVious]

Hutson
Laine
Caufield
Slaf
Suzuki
Xhekaj
Gallagher
Montembault
Armia
Current MSL

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Yes, Marner is more valuable than Stutzle.

Marner is (clearly) the better player, but I certainly wouldn't say more "valuable". Like, certainly not >4M more than Stutzle if he gets >12M/yr.

Age is also a relevant factor to how valuable a player is. Marner is what he is, and regression should be expected over the course of his next contract, while Stutzle still has growth potential being only on the verge of 23 - although he'll likely never be Mitch defensively.

 

[HockeyVirus]

You should try sniffing round 2 before you start spouting off about playoffs, Suzuki and Caufield have both made it to the 4th round as impact players, let me know when your superior forwards come close to that success

This is old news they were in the 2nd round 1.5 years ago.

 

[Golden_Jet]

This is old news they were in the 2nd round 1.5 years ago.

And never won 3 rounds ever.

Where is your list