If it's not Jack Campbell who should be the Leafs new #1 goalie?

[Zonk]

This article is from Maple Leafs Hot Stove. It appears that acquiring Murray could be the worst Leafs move since they signed Eddie Balfour to replace Curtis Joseph.

As trade talks intensify with Ottawa, does Matt Murray make sense for the Maple Leafs?

There’s a good chance that Matt Murray plays for the Toronto Maple Leafs this season. With the Ottawa Senators planning to go forward with a tandem of Anton Forsberg and Filip Gustavsson, trading Murray would free up some spending money ahead of free agency. We know that Murray turned down a...

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[JT AM da real deal]

Um no, you weren't. But age aside, your stellar House League career is meaningless. I know your Mum still has all of your participation trophies but they mean even less now than they did back then. But I'm sure they look nice in your old bedroom.




Some will, some won't. But whether they do or not is completely and utterly irrelevant to the discussion at hand. You do not have insider access, so stop pretending that you do. And even if you actually did ( ), they wouldn't be feeding information to someone like you who would be posting about it on an internet forum.

So get over yourself, and go back to polishing your House League participation trophies.




What was said?


Riddled, not rittled (not even a word).

That aside, do we really want to go down the same road that we just got off?

You must have played with Peter's Red wings back in da 70s day .. you just sound like one of his guys .. we got to dress is tiny dressing rooms at MLG on Saturday mornings as Harold gave us free ice to practice before Leaf pre game skates as my 1st Leaf memories .. you get nowhere in life taking da low road my friend .. when your 3 generations Marlboros my dad played for Buck and my kids for JN and their kids hopefully will play for JT you always take da high road

 

[The Masters]

Avs won the cup with arguably average goaltending. (Keumper)

they were equal to Golden State with Kevin Durant. Total offensive juggernaut

 

[All Mod Cons]

Look I am not sure what Dubas is doing here, but one thing is clear. Between this board and the mains, people have lost their minds. Not everything has worked out, but one reason I like Dubas is there is ALWAYS logic to his moves. There is always a plan. You can tell what he is thinking, and why he did it. Compared to a lot of other GM's where you are left questioning what they are thinking.

So why would Dubas, someone detail oriented, with his job maybe on the line, leroy jenkins himself into a terrible contract? The answer is because they know something we don't. Either the trade will make us a better team with what Ottawa is willing to pay to take him, or he has moves lined up that will all make sense.

This is likely the Leafs seeing something others don't, thinking Murray can find his game again if used right. If Dubas traded for Gibson people would be jumping up and down, except Gibson also sucked for 3 years, hasn't won anything, and would cost us a lot.

Murray if he rebounds is a cup winning goalie, who won B2B cups and was lights out in the playoffs. Getting paid to take him if it works out is a genius move vs paying top prospects ++ for a similar goalie based on nothing but name recognition.

Dubas ending up with a good asset and Murray at 2-3.5 AAV + a goalie signed to 1-2M will keep the cap the same as last year, but completely retool our goaltending along with all the other changes being made in the goalie departments.

Use your brains. Don't let haters and trolls get to you. Dubas has never made a move that didn't have logic behind it.

I personally don't believe there is logic to most of his moves. And if there is, I really don't understand the logic. Other than pro-analytic fans who tell everyone there is logic to every one of his moves, regardless of how stupid the moves are, I don't see the logic.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Yeah can we never say "he loves it here and wants to stay" again?! All about the $$

 

[The Masters]

Leafs dont want to lock themselves up for 4 years with campbell. thats what it comes down to.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

We told Campbell to F off and now we're circling back apologizing because he is by far the best bet right now, way to go Dubas.

Interesting to see what our goalie situation looks like by the end of the week, he may have to pray Blackwell puts it all together or else we're toast.

Gibson gas no interest in playing here and Murray is a joke.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I personally don't believe there is logic to most of his moves. And if there is, I really don't understand the logic. Other than pro-analytic fans who tell everyone there is logic to every one of his moves, regardless of how stupid the moves are, I don't see the logic.

Which move doesn't have logic?

 

[rocketman588]

Yeah can we never say "he loves it here and wants to stay" again?! All about the $$

Would you stay for 1/2 million less and 2 fewer years?

He'd most likely give us.a discount but it sounds like we're not valuing him

Loyalty goes both ways. We offered him 2.75 with a horseshit 3rd year. There's a real possibility our cap hit for Murray is over 3. How does that make sense

 

[kb]

We told Campbell to F off and now we're circling back apologizing because he is by far the best bet right now, way to go Dubas.

Interesting to see what our goalie situation looks like by the end of the week, he may have to pray Blackwell puts it all together or else we're toast.

Gibson gas no interest in playing here and Murray is a joke.

I keep wondering if my next online order will get me buzzed enough to write something mystical like this.

 

[Suntouchable13]

If Murray was a UFA this year, would he even get a contract from anyone? I think he would be a PTO guy, at best. There is no logic to Dubie going after him other than the fact he is a former Soo Greyhound.

 

[ACC1224]

If Murray was a UFA this year, would he even get a contract from anyone? I think he would be a PTO guy, at best. There is no logic to Dubie going after him other than the fact he is a former Soo Greyhound.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[The Masters]

One of the most reputable goalie schools - Jon Elkin Goalie School

Jon Elkin started coaching goalies at 16. His hockey goalie school has grown into one of the largest and most reputable in the world.

elkingoaltending.com

john elkin leafs goalie scout

“
MATT MURRAY

PITTSBURGH PENGUINS, NHL
"I’ve been attending Jon’s camp since I was 10 and still work with him today. He’s taught me sound fundamentals and what it takes to succeed.”

 

[rocketman588]

I keep wondering if my next online order will get me buzzed enough to write something mystical like this.

Lol

Still believing that despite the multiple reports on what we offered him, what every reporter has said, and even now reporters saying they're not close eh

We offered him 2.75 for 3 that is an absolute stone cold fact. All while playing mrazek more. Edmonton is about to offer him 5 yet we seem to don't want to give him term. I don't understand why you don't get that would be insulting to a dude.

Hilarious that we expected him to leave like 10 mil of salary on the table

 

[centipede2233]

Why can’t dubas be more proactive and less reactive. Yzerman shipping a 3rd a few days ahead of ufa and signing husso is a proactive move.

 

[ToneDog]

We told Campbell to F off and now we're circling back apologizing because he is by far the best bet right now, way to go Dubas.

Interesting to see what our goalie situation looks like by the end of the week, he may have to pray Blackwell puts it all together or else we're toast.

Gibson gas no interest in playing here and Murray is a joke.

Heard they had meaningful discussions on the weekend but no offer from the Leafs. Makes me think Dubas can read the tea leaves and does not want to meet Jack's ask. Hence why the Murray talks seem to be heating up today and I am guessing get done before Free Agency kicks off.

 

[Sypher04]

We told Campbell to F off and now we're circling back apologizing because he is by far the best bet right now, way to go Dubas.

Interesting to see what our goalie situation looks like by the end of the week, he may have to pray Blackwell puts it all together or else we're toast.

Gibson gas no interest in playing here and Murray is a joke.

The f*** are you on about? We made him and offer, apparently his agent didn’t like that it was heavily front loaded making jack highly tradeable in the later years, jacked the price way up. If anything, we’re sorry your joke of agent got bent out of shape over something stupid and basically stopped negotiating with us costing everyone the opportunity to find common ground for a deal.

Long and the short of it though, Campbell isn’t worth what he’s about to be paid.

 

[rocketman588]

Why can’t dubas be more proactive and less reactive. Yzerman shipping a 3rd a few days ahead of ufa and signing husso is a proactive move.

As soon as we cleared cap space NJ and Det solved their goalie issues and Washington cleared the space for theirs

 

[kb]

If Murray was a UFA this year, would he even get a contract from anyone? I think he would be a PTO guy, at best. There is no logic to Dubie going after him other than the fact he is a former Soo Greyhound.

Up until his final 2 starts (where he was playing injured), his save percentage was .920 behind a tire fire D. He gave up 13 goals on 53 shots in his last 2 games of the season.

So no, there is more logic to it than that.

 

[Sypher04]

Why can’t dubas be more proactive and less reactive. Yzerman shipping a 3rd a few days ahead of ufa and signing husso is a proactive move.

Husso is a massive gamble as much as anything we are talking about right now

 

[rocketman588]

The f*** are you on about? We made him and offer, apparently his agent didn’t like that it was heavily front loaded making jack highly tradeable in the later years, jacked the price way up. If anything, we’re sorry your joke of agent got bent out of shape over something stupid and basically stopped negotiating with us.

Long and the short of it though, Campbell isn’t worth what he’s about to be paid.

It was also 2 million at least under market value of what he's about to get

No shit his agent didn't like that.

Hey Jack we're going to massively underpay you and also structure this to give you no job security.

What do you think he was going to say

 

[Sypher04]

It was also 2 million at least under market value of what he's about to get

No shit his agent didn't like that.

Team is always going to start low. Player is always going to start high. Also the 2.75 offer was from before the start of the season. If people don’t think the Leafs fully expected to come up from that value as the season progressed they are being wildly naive

Campbell, in fairness, had no reason to agree to that offer at that point in time, but they didn’t really need to shut down conversation either. At the time that offer was made, Jack Campbell had proven even less than he has now by a good margin

 

[kb]

Husso is a massive gamble as much as anything we are talking about right now

Absolutely. Murray was at .920 (or ahead of most keepers talked about) prior to his last 2 starts where he was trying to play through an injury.

He did bounce back well this season. Only issue is health.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Which move doesn't have logic?

How many do you want?

I'll start with Marchment for Malgin.

 

[rocketman588]

Team is always going to start low. Player is always going to start high. Also the 2.75 offer was from before the start of the season. If people don’t think the Leafs fully expected to come up from that value they are being wildly naive

By all accounts they still aren't close and it's a week before free agency.

Friedge said they've been galaxys away all year.

Is he worth 5x5 imo no? Could we have possibly signed him at like 4x4 earlier. I believe we could have obviously nothing to back that up but the initial offer was still dumb considering what we gave mrazek. Just say we'll deal with it at the end of the season at that point