If it's not Jack Campbell who should be the Leafs new #1 goalie?

[Stephen]

LOL

Kevin Woodley had him on his show, and I can’t even remember how I came across Kevin Woodley to even be listening to him.

Yep Kevin Woodley was on with Jonas Siegel and James Mirtle and made this point at the time of signing and talked more in depth about Mrazek on an episode of his own pod last July.

 

[Stephen]

Our options aren't "dumpster dives", unless you think all NHL goalies outside of a handful of elite ones are "dumpster dives". Lankinen has more warts than pretty much all of the other potential options being discussed.

Dekes, maybe sit tight until our goalie situation is resolved before poo-poo’ing one cheap back up goalie who has spent the first couple years on a lottery team.

For all you know we’ll actually get Kevin Lankinen, and I’m not sure what that 180 is going to look like.

 

[Commander Clueless]

Tell me if I'm missing something but Upgrades that are seemingly available are
Gibson
Kuemper
Blackwood ( debatable but low cap hit high potential)

Jack is obviously the same as Jack even tho the cap hit hurts

Available downgrades:
Talbot
Murray
Reimer
Allen (maybe)
Desmith
Comrie

I think Gibson is off the table and I'd include Blackwood as a downgrade (at least as it stands now. Who knows? Goalies are voodoo).

Is Blackwood even on the market?

Kuemper is likely an upgrade but didn't have a great playoffs and comes with major injury concerns.


Even Gibson as an upgrade is a big risk. I know stats aren't everything but he's had some mediocre seasons as of late, and comes at 5 years $6.4M.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Dekes, maybe sit tight until our goalie situation is resolved before poo-poo’ing one cheap back up goalie who has spent the first couple years on a lottery team.

Stephen, you literally just got done "poo-poo'ing" the entire range of available options, so I'm not sure why you're so against somebody acknowledging the fact that Lankinen has not been good throughout his NHL career, and does not "fit the profile of an average goalie" more than one that has actually had an up instead of only downs.

Lankinen was a not insignificant part of the reason Chicago was a lottery team. Goalies are unpredictable, and maybe he would do well here, but if we're looking at past results at all, ups and downs are still better than only downs.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Stephen]

Stephen, you literally just got done "poo-poo'ing" the entire range of available options, so I'm not sure why you're so against somebody acknowledging the fact that Lankinen has not been good throughout his NHL career, and does not "fit the profile of an average goalie" more than one that has actually had an up instead of only downs.

Lankinen was a not insignificant part of the reason Chicago was a lottery team. Goalies are unpredictable, and maybe he would do well, but ups and downs are still better than only downs.

Yeah - my whole point about the goalie crop is Toronto has been out maneuvered at the draft and lost out on Fleury, Husso, even Georgiev and Vanecek. We are now crawling back to Campbell who doesn’t seem amenable based on publicly available speculation, Gibson also shut down the Leafs which leaves looking at Kuemper as the last pricy option and otherwise in dumpster dive mode.

Amidst all this Murray speculation, a Kevin Lankinen as a cheap back up would be the least of our concerns.

 

[ACC1224]

Yeah - my whole point about the goalie crop is Toronto has been out maneuvered at the draft and lost out on Fleury, Husso, even Georgiev and Vanecek. We are now crawling back to Campbell who doesn’t seem amenable based on publicly available speculation, looking at Kuemper as the last pricy option and otherwise in dumpster dive mode.

Amidst all this Murray speculation, a Kevin Lankinen as a cheap back up would be the least of our concerns.

Yep tough week for the GM.
Consensus was he had a poor draft and now last to the goalie market dance with only the ugly girls left.
All while the window keeps getting closer and closer to shutting.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Yeah - my whole point about the goalie crop is Toronto has been out maneuvered at the draft and lost out on Fleury, Husso, even Georgiev and Vanecek. We are now crawling back to Campbell who doesn’t seem amenable based on publicly available speculation, Gibson also shut down the Leafs which leaves looking at Kuemper as the last pricy option and otherwise in dumpster dive mode.

Amidst all this Murray speculation, a Kevin Lankinen as a cheap back up would be the least of our concerns.

They only lose out if those are their #1 targets.

If they wanted Keumper and sign him, did they really lose out?

We can only evaluate after it's been done.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yeah - my whole point about the goalie crop is Toronto has been out maneuvered at the draft and lost out on Fleury, Husso, even Georgiev and Vanecek. We are now crawling back to Campbell who doesn’t seem amenable based on publicly available speculation, Gibson also shut down the Leafs which leaves looking at Kuemper as the last pricy option and otherwise in dumpster dive mode.

This is a pretty inaccurate representation of what's happened. Just because some goalies were traded and re-signed doesn't mean that we were "outmaneuvered". You don't know what our targets were or what our plan was. We're not "crawling back" to anybody, and pretty much all of these named options you think we missed out on are a similar tier to what you incorrectly refer to as "dumpster dives". Weren't you the one who just said "maybe sit tight until our goalie situation is resolved"?

Amidst all this Murray speculation, a Kevin Lankinen as a cheap back up would be the least of our concerns.

Murray has been better than Lankinen.

 

[Stephen]

They only lose out if those are their #1 targets.

If they wanted Keumper and sign him, did they really lose out?

We can only evaluate after it's been done.

I feel like there’s been too much hot air speculation. The main thesis is the Leafs are a great team and just need average goaltending to win. So that implies all the random goalies that went to market over the weekend could have plausibly done the job. But they aren’t good enough. We might be waiting on the most injury prone and contractually complex option.

 

[thinkblue]

Yeah - my whole point about the goalie crop is Toronto has been out maneuvered at the draft and lost out on Fleury, Husso, even Georgiev and Vanecek. We are now crawling back to Campbell who doesn’t seem amenable based on publicly available speculation, Gibson also shut down the Leafs which leaves looking at Kuemper as the last pricy option and otherwise in dumpster dive mode.

Amidst all this Murray speculation, a Kevin Lankinen as a cheap back up would be the least of our concerns.

Out maneuvered implies they were interested. And if they were interested they may not have assessed that the cost was worth it with what those teams paid. And Minnesota had Fleury's rights, not sure how the Leafs lost out on him when he was not likely even made available.

 

[The Masters]

 

[A1LeafNation]

I feel like there’s been too much hot air speculation. The main thesis is the Leafs are a great team and just need average goaltending to win. So that implies all the random goalies that went to market over the weekend could have plausibly done the job. But they aren’t good enough. We might be waiting on the most injury prone and contractually complex option.

To me, it looks like Campbell's agent is saying Edmonton has the best offer as we would be surprised if he isnt an Oiler (through friedman) and Gibson is loyal to the Ducks.

On the other side it's Dubas intensively looking at Murray.

What if all this is, is actually a contract negotiation between Campbell and the Leafs. Lol.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Dubas is like a tick, he has sucked all the life’s blood out of being a fan of this team for me. This is not going to be a good move. Murray is not good.

 

[saltming]

 

[tmlfan98]

If Sens only want to retain 25% max, but a 3rd team is going to be brought into this to retain 50% of the remainder, it's possible we could be bringing Murray in at 2.35M.

 

[rocketman588]

Out maneuvered implies they were interested. And if they were interested they may not have assessed that the cost was worth it with what those teams paid. And Minnesota had Fleury's rights, not sure how the Leafs lost out on him when he was not likely even made available.

Yes we weren't interested in any goalie available or resigning our own. That's why we've spent 4 days working on a trade for a dude that's been on IR 7 times since he's been in Ottawa

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Yep looks like how things will go down .. 7M for Kuemper still too high but Caps can do it .. 5.5M for Soup in Oil land seems too high too but they can do it .. I wonder how much of 6.2M Sens retaining on Murray???????????????? for 2 years .. likely he will be cheapest option .. is he da worst tender of 3???????????????

 

[67Cup]

Well, one thing is certain. Due diligence on the medical situation of any potential goalie is an absolute necessity, let alone one with an injury history.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yeah - my whole point about the goalie crop is Toronto has been out maneuvered at the draft and lost out on Fleury, Husso, even Georgiev and Vanecek. We are now crawling back to Campbell who doesn’t seem amenable based on publicly available speculation, Gibson also shut down the Leafs which leaves looking at Kuemper as the last pricy option and otherwise in dumpster dive mode.

Amidst all this Murray speculation, a Kevin Lankinen as a cheap back up would be the least of our concerns.

I wish I could say otherwise but this seems accurate.

I feel like there’s been too much hot air speculation. The main thesis is the Leafs are a great team and just need average goaltending to win. So that implies all the random goalies that went to market over the weekend could have plausibly done the job. But they aren’t good enough. We might be waiting on the most injury prone and contractually complex option.

 

[PromisedLand]

These are his last two tweets. Unless he said it on the radio or something

LOL at the medical evaluation. Is it the same medical team the leafs have that gave a green light to Foligno trade?

 

[Stephen]

Dubas is like a tick, he has sucked all the life’s blood out of being a fan of this team for me. This is not going to be a good move. Murray is not good.

I find the roster construction is increasingly dependant on longer and longer bets at key positions and it’s always this feeling of insecurity.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Johnny Bower

 

[Stephen]

These are his last two tweets. Unless he said it on the radio or something

Can concussion issues really be ascertained via medical analysis?

 

[Zybalto]

I thought Murray was done but then he looked top tier for a few months there. Injuries really took a toll on him.

Looking at the 65 goalies that played at least 100 minutes last year, here are the 10 that had the lowest xGA (crappiest D in front of them)

56. Comrie
57. Gibson
58. Greiss
59. Hellebuyck
60. Wedgewood
61. Murray
62. Montembault
63. Allen
64. Vejmelka
65. Korpisalo

Many of them are names that are tied to us and would certainly welcome a change to a solid defensive team (Campbell ranked 9th and Mrazek 11th respectively).

With Murray, it all comes down to retention.....and with Campbell pricing himself out, Murray certainly wont be the only keeper we pick up.

Helle would be a very interesting play to make...