If it's not Jack Campbell who should be the Leafs new #1 goalie?

[Dekes For Days]

Honestly, Lankinen could be an okay 1B move with some upside. He would fit the profile of an average goalie more than one with a lot of dramatic ups and downs.

Lankinen's entire NHL career has been a down. -14.3 GSAx in 2020-2021, and -28.6 GSAx this past year.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Maybe. Can’t say I’ve tuned into too many Chicago games over the years but he doesn’t look that busy and awful that I’d call him a Mrazek.

I had Lankinen in fantasy and traded him. I will regret the deal if Leafs prop his stats up lol.

 

[justashadowof]

I doubt the Leafs could expect 0 cap dollars coming back in either of those hypotheticals but I would be confident you could get clear of both and receive value back at a modest to decent price. Muzzin would be a McDonagh type player on a shorter deal but more injury questions. Tavares’ main problem is he doesn’t bring enough value and blocks us from finishing the puzzle. But for many teams there will be value there.

I'm sure there are several teams who would gladly take on say $8M of Tavares' contract for 3 years straight like a big summer UFA signing. Some of them may even be playoff contenders.

 

[Stephen]

Lankinen's entire NHL career has been a down. -14.3 GSAx in 2020-2021, and -28.6 GSAx this past year.

He would be a backup, and I don’t see much of a budget for a program of excellence in net.

 

[Stephen]

I'm sure there are several teams who would gladly take on say $8M of Tavares' contract for 3 years straight like a big summer UFA signing. Some of them may even be playoff contenders.

I’d be a lot happier with Tavares at $8 million than $11. He brings us a bit less than that in value but you can live it. But I also think some teams would take him at $11 million and be comfortable in the short term knowing they get about 70-75 points or so and a big name on the marquee.

 

[The Masters]

Dorion cant make two good trades in a row lol. Hoping Dubas gets a good deal here if it is Murray

 

[Dekes For Days]

He would be a backup, and I don’t see much of a budget for a program of excellence in net.

Lankinen has put up bad results over his career for even a backup. He was significantly worse than all of our goalies this past year, and was significantly worse than all of our goalies the year before. I mean, maybe he'd do better in a completely different system like ours, but having only downs isn't better than having ups and downs.

 

[Chief Leaf]

This is probably part their plan D and they are doing due dilligence by covering all bases.

Plan A: Good offer for Keumper but don't over pay.
Plan B: Good offer for Campbell but don't over pay.
Plan C: Trade for Gibson without giving up a core piece.
Plan D: Trade for Blackwood/Murray/Talbot on value deals.

If we were the Leafs management, isnt this exactly how we would play things?

Not necaessarily -Keumper sure has the right to see what max dollar he can get after winning a cup BUT,..He wins a cup with colorado but Sakic just lets him go right away and signs another tender.
now maybe 1)- Joe knows that he won't be able to afford the asking price
2) Joe knows that eye dealio (injury) could come back and haunt him

So going after Keumper may not be the best plan A
I guess it could be a risky sign and we would definetely want to go the tandem route but Dubas may feel that Kalgren is good enough to be in that role for now and maybe tighten the ship later on in the season before playoffs and maybe trade for a tender who is/disgruntled and wants out or a team falls out of contention.

Lets not forget about Murray and his stanley cup runs- That team was a hot team in front of him, so imo..Murray was still shite but looked good because of the team and the shiny cup.


My other plan would include trying to score both goalies from Arizona (Vegmelka and Prosvetov) and going with that Tandem for the regular season and maybe if you have to find another tender before the trade deadline.

So if we do show interest in Murray hopefull a three way deal that sends Murray to the yotes could work to attain the two Yote tenders mentioned

 

[Stephen]

Lankinen has put up bad results over his career for even a backup. He was significantly worse than all of our goalies this past year, and was significantly worse than all of our goalies the year before. I mean, maybe he'd do better in a completely different system like ours, but having only downs isn't better than having ups and downs.

Most of our options are dumpster dives at this moment, whether it’s two junk goalies, one junk goalie and a reclamation goalie or the long shot being Kuemper (who has an eye injury). So barring some massive blockbuster surprise we’re not exactly left with a ton of wart free options.

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Kallgren and Woll should be TO's 'tenders moving forward that way the Leafs don't have cut anyone

 

[Stephen]

Not necaessarily -Keumper sure has the right to see what max dollar he can get after winning a cup BUT,..He wins a cup with colorado but Sakic just lets him go right away and signs another tender.
now maybe 1)- Joe knows that he won't be able to afford the asking price
2) Joe knows that eye dealio (injury) could come back and haunt him

So going after Keumper may not be the best plan A
I guess it could be a risky sign and we would definetely want to go the tandem route but Dubas may feel that Kalgren is good enough to be in that role for now and maybe tighten the ship later on in the season before playoffs and maybe trade for a tender who is/disgruntled and wants out or a team falls out of contention.

Lets not forget about Murray and his stanley cup runs- That team was a hot team in front of him, so imo..Murray was still shite but looked good because of the team and the shiny cup.


My other plan would include trying to score both goalies from Arizona (Vegmelka and Prosvetov) and going with that Tandem for the regular season and maybe if you have to find another tender before the trade deadline.

So if we do show interest in Murray hopefull a three way deal that sends Murray to the yotes could work to attain the two Yote tenders mentioned

Thing about Murray’s cup runs is MAF basically took over in the middle rounds of the second cup. And this was before the league really knew him.

 

[stealth1]

So Talbot Blackwood Campbell and Keumper are on the market, but how many teams are looking for a goalie...TOR EDM and WAS.

So it looks like a goalie will be left behind not a team looking for a goalie.

Buffalo needs a goalie too.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Buffalo needs a goalie too.

Don't they have Anderson and Luukonen signed for next year?

 

[Nineteen67]

If we do get Murray, just please don’t tell me this was the “plan”, because this is scramble mode to fill a crease cheap and hope he’s the guy. I mean, let’s keep it real.

I would still like to think they inquired about Carey Price. I have no idea if he’ll ever play again, but if he’s at training camp ready to go, it’d be a shame not to have at least kicked the tires.

Physically and mentally fit Carey Price is about the best you can possibly get.

 

[stealth1]

Eye test also susceptible to bias, numbers are empirical

That's what Goals Against and save% is for. Expected goals and saves shows how lucky or unlocky a goalie is.

Don't they have Anderson and Luukonen signed for next year?

They do but the plan is for Luukonen to start in the AHL. Anderson is not a starter so they need some one but they also don't want a long term signing either.

 

[Nineteen67]

You mean the guy that said Mrazek would flourish in our defensive system?

I'm sure he's never wrong.

I don’t know what he said about Mrazek.

 

[ACC1224]

I don’t know what he said about Mrazek.

Dubas obviously thought he would thrive. Perhaps he's the mysterious incorrect blogger?

 

[Chief Leaf]

Thing about Murray’s cup runs is MAF basically took over in the middle rounds of the second cup. And this was before the league really knew him.

Good point and that just shows how Murray getting the cup wasn't because he was "THE Great " tender. Yes he gets injured often but look at how bad he was with Ottawa and that shows two different truthful spectrums.


I know if we had him for a back -up it wouldn't be the worse thing but that is probably just due because of the position we are in right now so that pucker (murray ) is just skewing us even right now lol and he isn't signed here. lol

 

[Nineteen67]

A serious question: did this guy predict how ill-suited Mrazek would be for the Leafs? I mean he's the type of goalie who charges far out of the crease to challenge shooters then plays super deep in the net at other times. That did not mesh well at all with the Leafs' system.

I don’t know. Granted Mrazek was injured in his first start, that may need to be factored into the thinking.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

First of all Skippy, unless you're in your mid 50s you haven't been doing anything since before I was born.

Second, I love the internet heroes like you.

Third, if you actually knew anyone like that would they really be stupid enough to text some moron who would be posting about it on a hockey forum?

Get over yourself little man.




Apparently multiple eye procedures each day.

If it is something that can be repaired, no problem. If not then stay the hell away.

Relax my friend .. I am 58 and playing hockey likely since before you were born .. hockey buddies stay friends for life my friend

 

[Nineteen67]

Dubas obviously thought he would thrive. Perhaps he's the mysterious incorrect blogger?

LOL

Kevin Woodley had him on his show, and I can’t even remember how I came across Kevin Woodley to even be listening to him.

 

[A1LeafNation]

That's what Goals Against and save% is for. Expected goals and saves shows how lucky or unlocky a goalie is.


They do but the plan is for Luukonen to start in the AHL. Anderson is not a starter so they need some one but they also don't want a long term signing either.

Probably a good spot for a guy like Lankinen.

 

[Stephen]

You mean the guy that said Mrazek would flourish in our defensive system?

I'm sure he's never wrong.

In Goal Radio made the comment last summer that the type of defensive environment the Leafs had was a good match for the types of saves Mrazek would make, based on Clear Sight analytics.

 

[rocketman588]

LOL

Kevin Woodley had him on his show, and I can’t even remember how I came across Kevin Woodley listening to him.

There was definitely a non 0 chance he was hyping the bloggers stats when we signed him to justify that signing as well lol

 

[Dekes For Days]

Most of our options are dumpster dives at this moment, whether it’s two junk goalies, one junk goalie and a reclamation goalie or the long shot being Kuemper (who has an eye injury). So barring some massive blockbuster surprise we’re not exactly left with a ton of wart free options.

Our options aren't "dumpster dives", unless you think all NHL goalies outside of a handful of elite ones are "dumpster dives". Lankinen has more warts than pretty much all of the other potential options being discussed.

In Goal Radio made the comment last summer that the type of defensive environment the Leafs had was a good match for the types of saves Mrazek would make, based on Clear Sight analytics.

Yeah, and that may be true and there may very well have been solid logic behind that, but as we all saw, goalies are inherently way more unpredictable than any other position. Maybe more unpredictable than any other role in all of sports.