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If Kyle adds only Gio and Blackwell are you satisfied with trade deadline moves?

  • Yes

    Votes: 70 26.5%

  • No

    Votes: 113 42.8%

  • A little bit yes and a little bit no

    Votes: 81 30.7%
  • Total voters
    264
riffle said:
Lyubushkin goes in the plus column as trading a 2nd rounder goes in the minus column.

I wish it was just we got the Dman and lost Ritchie, but that 2nd round pick is the opposite of a sweetener, to me, and leaves sour taste.
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If you forget ritchie's involvement in the deal at all... what would you think is a reasonable price (in terms of a pick) to trade for Lyubushkin?
 
I like the two of them, but they badly need to fix the goaltending so I will not be happy until that is done.
 
I really don’t see the point in waiving mrazek If we aren’t going to do anything else.

Going into the week with who? Mrazek goes down and sateri gets claimed.

Now what. Kalgren and hutch wed?
Are we really expecting sateri to play this weekend?

We are back to back Boston and Florida right?
 
Not bad. I personally wouldn’t have traded dermott but I’m glad he’s getting a chance somewhere.

I would like Copp. Holl and a b prospect?

Dream trade is for Gibson or Hellybuck.
 
seanlinden said:
If you forget ritchie's involvement in the deal at all... what would you think is a reasonable price (in terms of a pick) to trade for Lyubushkin?
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I understand why you're asking, but just like why I responded to the comment on not forgetting that we got Lyubushkin for Ritchie, by bringing up the 2nd rounder going the other way, I can't forget all the details to justify that, that was a great situation. It wasn't.

To your original question, I don't know. If you're implying by asking, that he's worth a 2nd round pick, perhaps he was, but that will never change what happened. The process was not good even if the end result is.
 
Im still not a fan of the 3rd line. Anyone think if Knies gets a chance, Abruezze could get a chance at 3C or is it gonna be too many rookies

1st line
Knies - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - Abruezze - Mikheyev
Blackwell/Engvall - Kampf - Spezza/Simmonds
 
Still need to add depth 100%, we send down Liljegren and trade Mrazek were left with $9,546,019.(send down Kallgren when Campbell is back/if we trade for a tendy)

We can still call-up both players April 30th as there is no cap space nor roster limits in the playoffs obviously, lol.

We would need Muzzin to stay on IR for another month, assuming that's not a bad idea regardless of his injury stats, we need him to be fully healthy for a long playoff run.

As of today this is how our roster stands if we send those players down to make more room/cap.

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Engvall-Kase
Simmonds-Kerfoot-Spezza
Clifford-Kampf-Blackwell

Rielly-Brodie
Sandin-Lyubushkin
Giordano-Holl

Kallgren

Looking at the roster Kyle can still add a high level Left winger & goalie.

The best case scenario would be sending down Clifford & Blackwell until Aptil 30th, trading for Defense depth with the same cap hit(Chara/Greene)
Adding a top level goalie to help Campbell, and obviously someone who can run with Tavares/Nylander.
 
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riffle said:
I understand why you're asking, but just like why I responded to the comment on not forgetting that we got Lyubushkin for Ritchie, by bringing up the 2nd rounder going the other way, I can't forget all the details to justify that, that was a great situation. It wasn't.

To your original question, I don't know. If you're implying by asking, that he's worth a 2nd round pick, perhaps he was, but that will never change what happened. The process was not good even if the end result is.
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One of your posts seemed to be "I wish it was just Ritchie for Lyubushkin" -- sure, don't we all.... but that wasn't the reality when Ritchie was clearly not valued by anyone.

As for Lyubushkin, no, I do not believe he's worth a 2nd round pick... but I also do not recall any other example of a pick that is 3 drafts away being traded.

If you told me the cost to acquire Lyubushkin was a 2023 3rd round pick, I'd probably have said to you "that sounds reasonable" -- the guy is a physical, right shot, rental dman currently playing in the top 4 for Arizona.

So what did the Leafs pay to "get rid of Ritchie"? They took on Dzingel, who was a fully buryable contract that likely held 0 value as he hadn't yet cleared waivers. They took on Hutton's money off the cap. They gave Arizona the "option" to convert that 2023 3rd to a 2025 2nd. Part of that "bonus value" is Ritchie, but part of it is also the fact that picks that are 3 drafts away would be valued less than picks that can be made sooner.
 
I'm satisfied and may have preferred no moves because I'm not super confident in the team. Matthews and Marner seem better than prior years and surpsingly Bunting has surpassed Hyman's contribution, but there's obviously the goalie problem.

Making the playoffs is basically a lock no matter what we do, so wait until Campbell is back and if he plays like the first half of the year...great. Otherwise I don't see any options out there that aren't a Band-Aid, so why spend future assets when there are 3-4 amazing teams in the East to get by that are already loading up.

If Gio plays like a 2nd pairing D for us and wants to stay in Toronto next year on a favourable deal like Spezza (maybe 1.5 mil) then I'm still happy with the deal regardless of how goalies work out
 
seanlinden said:
One of your posts seemed to be "I wish it was just Ritchie for Lyubushkin" -- sure, don't we all.... but that wasn't the reality when Ritchie was clearly not valued by anyone.

As for Lyubushkin, no, I do not believe he's worth a 2nd round pick... but I also do not recall any other example of a pick that is 3 drafts away being traded.

If you told me the cost to acquire Lyubushkin was a 2023 3rd round pick, I'd probably have said to you "that sounds reasonable" -- the guy is a physical, right shot, rental dman currently playing in the top 4 for Arizona.

So what did the Leafs pay to "get rid of Ritchie"? They took on Dzingel, who was a fully buryable contract that likely held 0 value as he hadn't yet cleared waivers. They took on Hutton's money off the cap. They gave Arizona the "option" to convert that 2023 3rd to a 2025 2nd. Part of that "bonus value" is Ritchie, but part of it is also the fact that picks that are 3 drafts away would be valued less than picks that can be made sooner.
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My reason for posting was simply that it's imbalanced to bring up we received Lyubushkin without acknowledging the loss of a 2nd rounder. It's both things. Not one or the other. Since, the good side was mentioned, I brought up the other side for the full picture of what took place.

Same kind of thing as I would lament the loss of Leafs 1st to get out from under Marleau. Some might mention how it was great we were able to bury his cash to help the cap as if that was a win. To me, that is imbalanced, as though true, it cost a 1st which turned into Seth Jarvis. So, not a win. A very unfortunate event with one upside detail. Similar to what happened with Ritchie. Not calling a bad situation good, in totality, because of one positive part of it.
 
riffle said:
My reason for posting was simply that it's imbalanced to bring up we received Lyubushkin without acknowledging the loss of a 2nd rounder. It's both things. Not one or the other. Since, the good side was mentioned, I brought up the other side for the full picture of what took place.

Same kind of thing as I would lament the loss of Leafs 1st to get out from under Marleau. Some might mention how it was great we were able to bury his cash to help the cap as if that was a win. To me, that is imbalanced, as though true, it cost a 1st which turned into Seth Jarvis. So, not a win. A very unfortunate event with one upside detail. Similar to what happened with Ritchie. Not calling a bad situation good, in totality, because of one positive part of it.
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Losing one of a 2025 2nd or 2023 3rd for Lyubushkin isn't really something to "lament"... it's MAYBE a slight overpayment, to get rid of an obviously problematic contract.

I don't think anyone approaches the Marleau trade as "great we got rid of is $6m for nothing". Pretty much everyone understands that it was a 1st round draft pick that ended up really early.
 
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I absolutely believe Dubas isn’t done. I think he is looking for someone to be the right fit on that J.T.-Nylander line and possibly a goalie, but I think just like he showed with the Gio trade, he will only make a move if the price makes sense, no stupid over payments. I think Mrazek is getting traded as well (nobody will be claiming him)
 
There's a metric crapload of good names out there that could easily be on the move tomorrow.
 
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I still think we're fixing to get bullied again. I don't think we have the right mix of players on the blueline. I like Giordano, but would have liked to add a Middleton or even shot high for a Mayfield, you never know, but doubtful that happens with Muzzin looking like he's coming back.
 
I wouldn't move much more without an upgrade in net.

I think the price on Gio/Blackwell was a nice risk/reward mix and it does improve our team considerably without damaging the future too much.
 
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Zybalto said:
I agree as much as anyone but the Dec. 1st stuff is just too irritating to read.

Campbell went through a bad stretch but no need to slander the guy (who I'm not a huge fan of compared to others for sure)

He's actually the perfect backup guy on a cup team. Cant really handle a long tough load but can be brilliant in shorter spurts. It's probably why this injury is good for just the rest factor for him.
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I usually refer to Campbell as the league's best backup.
 
seanlinden said:
Losing one of a 2025 2nd or 2023 3rd for Lyubushkin isn't really something to "lament"... it's MAYBE a slight overpayment, to get rid of an obviously problematic contract.
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We all have different perspectives. It's what makes a board like this enjoyable, at least for me.

Giving up picks is lamentable. Had the mistake not been made, by acquiring Ritchie in the first place, they were there to be used by the org on prospects or in trade now at the deadline. I have no agenda to be pro or anti Dubas. I think he's a great guy and everything is judged on a case by case basis. Some will justify everything he does for confirmation bias purposes and others will rip him for the same. Everything in life is a referendum to me.

No GM is perfect and makes his fair share of mistakes. You have to call them out as mistakes, though, and not justify them.
 
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