If it's just Gio and Blackwell are you satisfied?

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If Kyle adds only Gio and Blackwell are you satisfied with trade deadline moves?

  • Yes

    Votes: 70 26.5%
  • No

    Votes: 113 42.8%
  • A little bit yes and a little bit no

    Votes: 81 30.7%

  • Total voters
    264
I think you have to be disappointed if "this is it".

To me, Giordano should slot in as a really effective 3rd pair defenceman for us when healthy. Behind Morgan Rielly & Jake Muzzin. With who the Leafs have on their blueline, I think they have to take a "Tampa Approach" to the management of it. Brodie obviously on the right, likely Lyubushkin, and then either Holl or Liljegren.

That being said; before the additions of the last week, I think it's important to consider that the 4 teams in the Atlantic were all somewhat evenly matched. You look at who Florida has added (Giroux, Chiarot, Hagg). You look at who Tampa has added (Hagel, Paul), plus who they might still add with their 1st this year, and you look at who Boston has added (Lindholm), and I cannot help but think that the Leafs have shortchanged themselves.

They still have a 2nd line that has been quite inconsistent. They still have a 3rd line of Engvall-Kampf-Mikheyev, and while those guys have been very good this year, they certainly do not strike me as a "playoff warrior" 3rd line. You look at who stopped Matthews last year -- and yes, Phillip Danault was a huge reason, and I do believe David Kampf could be somewhat equivalent to that -- but let's not forget that line had Brendan Gallagher on it.

They still have a goalie who's reasonably unproven and struggled as of late, and no backup.

Personally, I think they should still be in the market for one more big add. Maybe it's a guy like Max Domi to help improve the 2nd line's consistency, Maybe it's a guy like Lawson Crouse to elevate their size and physicality up front in a meaningful way. Either of those moves would go towards making Kerfoot & Kase 4th line regulars, which to me is REALLY solid depth. Maybe it's smaller scale -- a guy like Austin Watson or Zach Sanford to bring some more physicality up front.

Maybe it's a guy like Damon Severson to upgrade Justin Holl, and give the Leafs 3 really solid pairings with lots of options as to how they can be put together and roles they can play. Maybe it's Marc Andre Fleury or James Reimer to give the Leafs some sort of plan B for goaltending if Campbell falters.

Severson?

You mean the guy we were mocking relentlessly as the worse D ever seen after our two games with the Devils?

You mean this guy:



(I know he's better than this but the Leafs fanbase would have punted any Leafs D who played a 2 on 1 that badly into orbit and a that was just 1 of like 50 mistakes those 2 games against the Leafs)
 
He's turning 34 next month and the Isles are going into a mini rebuild with no cap flexibility and his name is out there.

What would it take to snag him you think?

#1. I do not believe he wants to come to Canada.

#2. Hirvonen, a 3rd and a 5th might be a reasonable package, but the Isles are not going to saddle themselves with $2.5m in dead cap to do it.
 
Severson?

You mean the guy we were mocking relentlessly as the worse D ever seen after our two games with the Devils?

You mean this guy:



(I know he's better than this but the Leafs fanbase would have punted any Leafs D who played a 2 on 1 that badly into orbit and a that was just 1 of like 50 mistakes those 2 games against the Leafs)


To be fair... I believe Severson's biggest mistakes of the season have come against the Leafs.

He is also going to be insulated on a much better team, and with a much better partner, than he has in New Jersey.
 
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We could add nothing, and this team could win it all as is. The core has to play up to their potential.

On the flip side, we could add McJesus himself and get swept if everyone plays like shells of themselves.

Core has to show up. I don’t care who we add or who anyone else adds.

I’ve been watching hockey for long enough to know that anyone added today will likely be a non factor, that goes for any team.
 
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I'm not disappointed if we stand pat after this trade. Not the splashiest deadline compared to the Florida teams but at least we're not emptying out first round picks. Our two biggest core pieces are still only 24.
 
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I’m okay with what Dubas has done so far, but like most greedy fans….. I WANT MORE!! Lol

Still would love to add Crouse to this lineup. Btw, what would be the consensus as to the cost to acquire him?

Do you think a 1st or a top prospect would be required in the deal? If not, I really hope Dubas has him on his radar.
 
Nope time to load up or go home
I'm with you home slice, this is our best chance at a cup in a very long time, we gotta go for it, do or die.

as far as the thread goes... "a little bit of yes and a little bit of no".
I'm content with our forwards.
I'm content with our defence.
but I'm not so content with our goaltending (captain obvious)... can Soup bounce back? is Kallgren the real deal? who is this Harri Sateri fella?

if we can land MAF with our 1st round pick, I do it without hesitation. Craig Anderson is another cheaper option that peaks my interest.
 
As far as I am concerned it is irrelevant who we add/remove whatever if the core does not show up in the playoffs. You don't trade for core; you trade for support pieces. If the core is sleeping in the playoffs then no trade is good enough.

Given the goalie situation and how the relative competition has upgraded (Tampa, Florida, Boston); I'd move no more pieces. It is up to the core to get it done. Period!
This. Core needs to show up and that's it.
 
Going relatively light on experience in net would surprise me after adding to the forward group and blueline.
 
I don’t think he thought mrazek was a the solution when we had Campbel playing the way he did in the playoffs. He thought mrazek could give jack enough time out of the crease to keep him on track (especially with jacks injury history). Mrazek did not work and he at least knows it was a mistake and is dealing with it.

I think we make a play on someone like stolarz. Other than that you have to kind of hope Campbell comes back and plays how he did in December.

Fluery has been awful as of late as well.
 
I don’t think he thought mrazek was a the solution when we had Campbel playing the way he did in the playoffs. He thought mrazek could give jack enough time out of the crease to keep him on track (especially with jacks injury history). Mrazek did not work and he at least knows it was a mistake and is dealing with it.

I think we make a play on someone like stolarz. Other than that you have to kind of hope Campbell comes back and plays how he did in December.

Fluery has been awful as of late as well.
Alright, we are pretty screwed if Campbell doesn't come back healthy and good to go.
 
I'm guessing there will be some type of goalie move tomorrow. As a replacement for Mrazek. I think Campbell is the #1 and will remain in that spot. And even possibly another forward. I can't see the Leafs paying a pair of 2nds and a 3rd on a couple of UFAs and thinking they have improved enough to compete with the Florida teams.
 
Everyone forgets we got Boosh in the Ritchie deal.

Satisfied? Not yet, we can do more and hopefully KD puts Muzz on LTIR to free up cash and we do more tomorrow.
Lyubushkin goes in the plus column as trading a 2nd rounder goes in the minus column.

I wish it was just we got the Dman and lost Ritchie, but that 2nd round pick is the opposite of a sweetener, to me, and leaves sour taste.
 
We've added more than just Gio and Blackwell. We've recently added Lyubushkin, Clifford and some KHL goalie as well. So we've changed a third of our D in the last couple of months.... That's a pretty massive change already.
 
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We did need defense, this may end up paying dividends come playoff time with a hopefully healthy team. I want a goalie but maybe this rookie goalie will light a fire under Campbell's ass.

I won't be happy till we make a run past the first round.
 
Nope. Goaltending is a huge question.

Compare the Leafs goaltending vs the other top divisional teams.

This may be yet again another year the Leafs get beat by a hot goalie. :rolleyes:

Let’s hope not, but it’s definitely a valid concern.
 
If we can get another depth forward I’d be happy or just sign Knies.

Would have loved Jack McBain
 
I voted "no" only on the assumption that Muzzin remains on LTIR. If he is out, Dubas has to find any upgrades that are available in the unpredictable last hours tomorrow.

There will be some impending UFA rentals upfront or otherwise that sellers will have to move away from. Even if it's a slight upgrade or a depth addition, if the team has space, it should be used.

If Muzzin is returnng for certain, then this may very well be it and it is what it is, the Lyubushkin addition pretty significant as well. Unlike most years, there are many teams absolutely out of the race and clear sellers.

Just as buyers often overpay at the deadline, a GM who is on the outside of playoffs looking in would be doing his fudiciary duty if he gets SOME asset for a player who will be a UFA they won't resign. If not, what is his excuse when his owner asks,"why didn't you trade him"?
 
Would like to add another energy/skill player (or two if Kase is injured), preferable from our prospects/young players (Knies/Robertson/Steeves/etc). I really think our bottom 6 could be insanely annoying if we push out Simmonds and Spezza.

D to me looks good, has some size and defensive guys, and pretty much everyone can make a first pass, which is probably the most offensive attribute our D needs.

Goaltending we may need to address it, but if it isn't there, we can't force it. Campbell has the ability to play a really good series, so lets hope it happens.

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Knies - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - Kampf - Mikheyev
Kerfoot - Blackwell - Kase

Rielly - Lub
Gio - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
 

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