If contracts didn't matter?
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ArtPeur
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Exactly, kids like Latendresse managed to make the team 'cause he was giving it all each preseason game but then he had a hard time in the season...
Contracts do matter and it sucks when stuck with a bad one.
Coaches have always been saddled with players The Front Office want them to play.
There aren't many who deserve a better fate in my mind.
You can never know until a vet is cornered like a rat.
Thread title should be 'if you're under the impression that all players are puting in max effort and intensity in the pre-season, what team would you select to slump to last place in the regular season?'
HardcoreHab
A Man With No Plan
I'd be more curious of what the team would look like from a historical perspective if contracts didn't exist. Would Gorges still be in the lineup if not for Subban's raise?
Blind Gardien
nexus of the crisis
Same here. And it's not just the camp effort level, it's also the sample size. The vets have the contracts they do because at least at some point they proved they should get those contracts. (Of course, there are exceptional cases of decline or bad contracts... we've had some in the past, but I don't think there are really good arguments against our current ones... Bourque and Moen would be worst probably).
The vets are tested over years of 82-game schedules at the NHL level. I think there is nothing that a pre-season snapshot alone does to displace them. You have to combine things... a vet who declined badly in the previous season _plus_ showed poorly in camp. A youngster who showed great performance and progression the previous season _plus_ showed well in camp.
Camp is just one step in the process. And not the most important one. So picking a roster purely based on training camp performances is pretty meaningless.
habfaninvictoria
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Good points, but I don't see guys like Eller, Pleks, Markov, Subban and their ilk dogging it just because the have contracts. They may not be going all out, but you can at least tell they want to lead by example. You can also tell by watching which of these kids don't look out of place and which veterans do. If MB is all about character, doesn't that character come in to play at times like this. You can't tell me our lineup wouldn't look better without Bourque floating down the wing and DLR mixing it up and creating pressure. We also all know it won't happen.
Galchenyuk hasn't been the best center in camp, not even close.
Plus, veteran who's spot is safe don't go all out because being healthy for game 1 is their priority.
Lebowski
El Duderino
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Galchenyuk had a few flashes offensively, but he had some major breakdowns defensively. He proved he has am lot of talent but still needs a lot of work.
Not even close to?
Which one of DD, Plekanec, Eller, Malhotra or any of the kids that played center miles ahead of Galchenyuk?
DD and Plekanec were better, even Eller. Galchenyuk had one goal and was a minus player due to numerous huge breakdowns defensively. Putting up a few points and being horrible defensively doesn't make you a good center, not in today's NHL.
Lebowski
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Then again, he played what, 2, 3 games at center? What did you expect? From what I saw, in a limited sample size, he showed me more than any of the other centers during pre-season. He's the one with the most upside and the one that can give us the most offense if put in a favorable position this season.
He will provide more offence as a top-6 winger than a 10-12 minute per game centreman.
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