Trap Jesus
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Ideal International Tournament Format With No Constraints?
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Pominville Knows
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Basically the World Cup, but with a qualifying tournament for the lesser teams just before. The 6-8 top nations are automatically in, and while those nations play a couple of "friendlies" before the tournament(Which is very important to me that they get to do, for chemistry), the lesser hockey nations play a qualifying tournament from where 2-4 teams qualify for the real deal. No bum teams in the real deal, just 10 teams. This way the lesser nations gets great confidence in their game and are well prepared to try it out on the Big 6-8.
I'd say having a qualification for all the teams, where the top two from each group goes directly to the final tournament, and the third placed teams play one round of head to head against eachother for the last 4 spots.
Talking about 12 teams btw
Talking about 12 teams btw
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cutchemist42
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Basically, something like the Olympics every other 2 years. All I really need is
-IIHF sanctioned and rules, not looking for an NHL exhibition
-Open qualifying
-No multi country hosts. I don't know people like this, it makes travel on fans really hard.
-Not North American-centred
-Played at the same point of the season the Olympics are currently played
-IIHF sanctioned and rules, not looking for an NHL exhibition
-Open qualifying
-No multi country hosts. I don't know people like this, it makes travel on fans really hard.
-Not North American-centred
-Played at the same point of the season the Olympics are currently played
joe89
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A best on best under IIHF's regime that only affects the World Champs, not the Olympics.
-10 teams, 8 top ranked teams per the world rankings, 2 qualifiers.
-2 groups with 5 teams.
-2 teams per group straight to semis. No bronze game.
-Bo3 final.
If there's one thing I really dislike with hockey tournaments it's all the meaningless group stage games. This makes the group stage interesting and worthwhile from start to finish. No cruising. A maximum of 8 games for the best teams. I'm thinking a two week tournament.
Since it's the IIHF, they could play World Champs three years, and World Cup* every fourth. No World Champs the same year as World Cup*. World Cup* would be played early September.
*Not to be confused with NHL's World Cup.
-10 teams, 8 top ranked teams per the world rankings, 2 qualifiers.
-2 groups with 5 teams.
-2 teams per group straight to semis. No bronze game.
-Bo3 final.
If there's one thing I really dislike with hockey tournaments it's all the meaningless group stage games. This makes the group stage interesting and worthwhile from start to finish. No cruising. A maximum of 8 games for the best teams. I'm thinking a two week tournament.
Since it's the IIHF, they could play World Champs three years, and World Cup* every fourth. No World Champs the same year as World Cup*. World Cup* would be played early September.
*Not to be confused with NHL's World Cup.
Pominville Knows
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Most certainly all teams that could potentially contend for a semi final should be automatically in, so i guess 8 teams. Then two more from a qualifier round so like two of Denmark, Latvia, Germany, Austria gets in.
The NHL could very well orchistrate it as far as i'm concerned: Leave it to the pros they know how to put on a show. But the semis and final could shift every other edition from NA to Europe. Small ice needs to be the deal here.
The NHL could very well orchistrate it as far as i'm concerned: Leave it to the pros they know how to put on a show. But the semis and final could shift every other edition from NA to Europe. Small ice needs to be the deal here.
cutchemist42
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I would personally prefer the IIHF handles it since its revenue trickles down to actual grassroots hockey. I believe intertional sporting tournaments should be held for the benefit of the sport.
There had to be NHL players available for qualifiers no matter the format. Small teams fighting to get into the tournament will be punished for having a lot of players in the NHL and north america in general if that isn't the case.
The World Championships are fine the way they are, but maybe have 4 groups of 4 instead of 2 groups so every game is even more important - and maybe hold it only every 2 years instead of annually since some people complain it is held too often.
The 2 groups format is still too young to pass a definite judgement, but I'm not sure how anyone can talk about meaningless games when looking at last year's Helsinki group.
Until there is a bigger sample size, the only thing that can be said when comparing the two format is that 2 groups of 8 at least gets rid of the possibility that a team starts the 2nd round with a different amount of point based on the result of a game its not even involved in.
38 game season followed by best of seven knockout series playoffs and relegation series.
20 teams, teams play each other twice.
top 8 teams go into seven game playoffs 1v8, 2v7 etc.
bottom four teams square off against the top four from D-2 for relegation.
20 teams, teams play each other twice.
top 8 teams go into seven game playoffs 1v8, 2v7 etc.
bottom four teams square off against the top four from D-2 for relegation.
Thats what I'm talking about!!!! Lets cancel all the elite hockey leagues and get down to what's it's really about. An nhl for national teams. Awesome. I want it:p
I think I'd probably get bored with a full national team season. A couple games every international break would be fine, but nothing more than say 10 games in a "season". I like international hockey because every game is so meaningful since they don't happen that often. You can go years without playing a certain other team which makes it that much more special when you finally do get that matchup again. Whereas I get bored with club hockey because it's the same teams over and over and over and over.... and 1 game winner take all will always be superior than drawn out 7 game series. I can't even watch an NHL playoff game all the way through unless it's a game 7.
Top eight hockey nations in one pool so that everyone plays everyone else at least once (annoys me to not see Canada play Russia, USA or Sweden at major events)
Top 4 makes the semis (thus all round robin games mean something)
Semifinals (1 vs 4, 2 vs 3) and final all best-of-three.
Top 4 makes the semis (thus all round robin games mean something)
Semifinals (1 vs 4, 2 vs 3) and final all best-of-three.
Basically a World cup mixed with NHL/KHL Playoff format.
Group A
Canada
United States
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Latvia
Group B
Sweden
Finland
Russia
Switzerland
Norway
Hold a Round Robin.
Bottom team from each group is eliminated and plays in a relegation series (best of 3)
Top 4 teams advance to the quarterfinals where they play a cross over (the First place team in Group A plays the 4th place team in Group B, 2nd place in group A plays 3rd place in Group B ect ect).
the winners advance to the semi finals where they are re arranged so that the highest seed always play the bottom seed. (if teams of the same rank from both group advance example both the first place teams from group A and B advance then their seeding rank tie will be broken by Goal differentials, Goals Scored, Goals allowed ect)
The Winners of the semi finals will play in a best of 7 series for the championship.
The losers of the semi finals will play in a best of 7 series for 3rd place.
At the conclusion of the tornament teams are re arranged into groups for the next tournament held every 2 years!
Group A
Canada
United States
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Latvia
Group B
Sweden
Finland
Russia
Switzerland
Norway
Hold a Round Robin.
Bottom team from each group is eliminated and plays in a relegation series (best of 3)
Top 4 teams advance to the quarterfinals where they play a cross over (the First place team in Group A plays the 4th place team in Group B, 2nd place in group A plays 3rd place in Group B ect ect).
the winners advance to the semi finals where they are re arranged so that the highest seed always play the bottom seed. (if teams of the same rank from both group advance example both the first place teams from group A and B advance then their seeding rank tie will be broken by Goal differentials, Goals Scored, Goals allowed ect)
The Winners of the semi finals will play in a best of 7 series for the championship.
The losers of the semi finals will play in a best of 7 series for 3rd place.
At the conclusion of the tornament teams are re arranged into groups for the next tournament held every 2 years!
the bottom divisions have the current IIHF format where the champion of Division II is promoted into the top 10.
(All senior mens hockey tournaments are held every two years offset from the Olympics
Pominville Knows
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Actually it would be great if the NHL paused for a season here and there and let the players play round robin games during them. Then i guess before the NHL playoffs they could play knockout stage for the gold.
Olympics aside the NHL is never going to go out of its way altering its schedule to accommodate the IIHF. However, there is room for compromise here. The NHL starts its season in October. Now regardless of the WHC's, many people over here have always thought it would make more sense to start in September. September is a cooler month, and it will take the playoffs out of June, a summer month. You still need to understand though, simply aligning the schedules to match won't release the full NHL rosters to the WHC. The players over here still play the most grueling schedule in the league, and the playoffs are especially punishing. I'd say the final 8 are still off limits, and you'll still have guys turning it down. But you can start building your roster from 22 NHL teams rather than 14, and have a bit more time to prepare.
So for my ideal compromised international format:
1. The NHL adopts an earlier schedule to align with the WHC's in Europe, giving them its support and abiding by IIHF authority.
2. In return, the IIHF gives the NHL its support to host the World Cup which will occur every 4 years, either in place of the WHC in the spring, or let that run without interrupting and have the WC in the Fall. Participating players can report to national team training camps instead of their NHL/European teams. IIHF rankings will be used to determine placements, has a say in # of teams, and profits are split, but otherwise the NHL call the shots.
Overall that would seem pretty fair to me...
If the NHL-season would start 1st of September, the Stanley Cup playoffs would end ≈ 6-9th of May, and if the IIHF would postpone the World Championship with one week, we would have a best on best tournament every year!
I agree with you on the having a World Cup every 4th year (and then perhaps play the World Championships as we do at the moment, by not having a best on best), since I believe it would benefit the IIHF too. Hosting a best on best tournament every year will probably generate more money, especially if it was hosted in North America now and then.
10 team World Cup held every four years, in the middle season between Olympics. Played in September before the season and alternate between being played in Europe and North America.
Tournament would be played in 3 stages:
-Group Stage
-Playoff Stage
-Medal Round
Group Stage:
-Two groups (A and B) of five teams each.
-Round Robin format, with a 3-2-1-0 format
-First place in each ground advance automatically to the Medal Round
-Second place in each round advance to Round two of Playoff stage
-3rd and 4th place advance to the first round of the Playoff stage.
-Last place is eliminated
This strikes a balance between eliminating too many teams at the group stage vs. rendering it meaningless with 8 teams going to a quarterfinal. Each place in the group standings comes with its own rewards vs just trying to get in the top-4.
Playoff Stage:
-Single elimination knock-out matches. 5-on-5 ot until a winner, no shootout.
-First round: 3rd place team vs 4th place team of opposite group. Winner advances to 2nd round.
-Second round: First round winner vs. 2nd place team from group stage. Bracketed so 2nd and 3rd place from same group can't face each other.
-Winner of second round games advance to the Medal round with the 1st place teams from the group stage.
Medal Round:
-2 Group Stage winners + the 2 playoff stage winners
-Full 4 team double-elimination tournament.
-5-on-5 OT until a winner for all games.
Double elimination allows you to determine a true 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th without consolation games. Also a nice cross between single elimination and needing a best of 3 final (final at most would be 2 games).
Said tournament would last about 3 to 3.5 weeks.
Tournament would be played in 3 stages:
-Group Stage
-Playoff Stage
-Medal Round
Group Stage:
-Two groups (A and B) of five teams each.
-Round Robin format, with a 3-2-1-0 format
-First place in each ground advance automatically to the Medal Round
-Second place in each round advance to Round two of Playoff stage
-3rd and 4th place advance to the first round of the Playoff stage.
-Last place is eliminated
This strikes a balance between eliminating too many teams at the group stage vs. rendering it meaningless with 8 teams going to a quarterfinal. Each place in the group standings comes with its own rewards vs just trying to get in the top-4.
Playoff Stage:
-Single elimination knock-out matches. 5-on-5 ot until a winner, no shootout.
-First round: 3rd place team vs 4th place team of opposite group. Winner advances to 2nd round.
-Second round: First round winner vs. 2nd place team from group stage. Bracketed so 2nd and 3rd place from same group can't face each other.
-Winner of second round games advance to the Medal round with the 1st place teams from the group stage.
Medal Round:
-2 Group Stage winners + the 2 playoff stage winners
-Full 4 team double-elimination tournament.
-5-on-5 OT until a winner for all games.
Double elimination allows you to determine a true 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th without consolation games. Also a nice cross between single elimination and needing a best of 3 final (final at most would be 2 games).
Said tournament would last about 3 to 3.5 weeks.
Do you mean only having the World Cup, or will there still be the World Championship as an option every year?
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