World Cup: I'd like to see team Quebec in the next World Cup.

[Xokkeu]

"American Hockey

It's a National Sport - Really"

I don't get it

 

[gattaca]

We do have Team Quebec, Ontario, West etc.. for a youth tourney usually held just before the World Juniors organized by Hockey Canada.

They just wear white or red Team Canada jerseys and play Cdn anthem. I haven't see Quebec in the final for a long time. Team Ontario generally is the best performer. With Canada diluted, USA has also done well in this tourney in recent years.

 

[Slot]

No they are all part of the same country. The United Kingdom.

They are different countries. Much like the EU is a state made up of different countries.

 

[llwyd]

What about NHL divisional teams sans non-North Americans + Team Nordic (all four countries) and Team Europe (rest of Europe + Russia)? A stellar 6 team tournament!

 

[Cotton]

* It would handicap Canada who are almost too dominant to make it interesting.

* Quebec is a real place with a real identity that is different from the rest of Canada and would have a natural base of supporters.

* Unlike U-23 it wouldn't weaken team USA, a country that will need all their best players in order to compete.

* If the format is changed so that all teams get at least one home game in the tournament, then there's one more team playing at home in North America.

* England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales having their own teams in soccer sets a precedent that it can work just fine to have your own team even if you don't have political independence.

* Quebec was close the voting for independence and might very well actually become independent one day, so the NHL would be ahead of the curve.

* Gary Bettman would maybe become slightly less hated in Quebec City.

* It wouldn't handicap Canada because of the depth of talent that still exists beyond any notable French-Canadian players.

* Im not touching on the separatist stuff, but Quebec isn't some unique cultural hub within Canada. They have good strip-clubs, good poutine and a lot of complaining. If I'm looking for a rich and unique Culture unlike the rest of Canada I'll visit the territory of Nunavut.

And what is their identity? French-Canadian roots are closer to the Metis than anything purely European.

* Bettman will always be hated, he's tinkered with game too much in trying to pander to a disinterested American audiences. That doesn't get forgotten because he allows another gimmick team into a tournament.

* The US's problem was poor player selection and coaching, not being barred from selecting a couple under 23 players who wouldn't of prevented them from losing anyway.

 

[SotasicA]

Team Quebec is too sensitive politically. I doubt they want to give fuel to separatists, and would rather stick to "harmless" compilation teams.

 

[Xokkeu]

They are different countries. Much like the EU is a state made up of different countries.

The EU is not a state. It's an international political and economic framework and bureaucracy. Each sovereign government has its own nationality and their citizens carry their respective passports.

The United Kingdom is a sovereign state. England Scotland etc are often called nations (although Northern Ireland is referred to as a province) within the United Kingdom, but politically they are constituent units of the United Kingdom. Citizens carry British passports.

 

[Sakicfan]

* Gary Bettman would maybe become slightly less hated in Quebec City.

I doubt people in Quebec would prefer a Team Quebec over a Team Canada.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

Politics is not fair game in this thread.

Talk hockey, or do not post.

 

[FuriousSenator]

They should just start a real Canada cup featuring a team for each province. And why the heck not how about each territory gets a team too.

This so much this. I'd watch the hell out of an intra-Canada Cup...

Two pools (round robin, top two teams advance to semis then finals):

BC
Alberta
Saskatchewan
Manitoba

Ontario
Québec
Nova Scotia
New Brunswick

(Territories, NFLD, PEI players would be free agents - allowed to choose which teams to play for if invited).

That would be incredible - imagine the rivalries! Ontario vs. Québec. It would be phenomenal!

 

[JackSlater]

No chance Hockey Canada would agree to that. Too much of a political powder keg. Also not interested in seeing a provincial team vs a rest of Canada team vs national teams. Team Quebec would probably be a little better than the Czech Republic, so a pretty big longshot.

 

[canadaishockey4*]

* It would handicap Canada who are almost too dominant to make it interesting.

* Quebec is a real place with a real identity that is different from the rest of Canada and would have a natural base of supporters.

* Unlike U-23 it wouldn't weaken team USA, a country that will need all their best players in order to compete.

* If the format is changed so that all teams get at least one home game in the tournament, then there's one more team playing at home in North America.

* England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales having their own teams in soccer sets a precedent that it can work just fine to have your own team even if you don't have political independence.

* Quebec was close the voting for independence and might very well actually become independent one day, so the NHL would be ahead of the curve.

* Gary Bettman would maybe become slightly less hated in Quebec City.

Not sure how many Quebecers would play for Team Quebec over Team Canada.

 

[MXD]

Not sure how many Quebecers would play for Team Quebec over Team Canada.

I think that, in the scenario from the OP, the players wouldn't really have a choice.
I mean, I'm pretty sure Erik Karlsson is European... and he doesn't play for Team Europe.

But there are some... problem cases. Think Sean Couturier (regardless of his VERY justified beef against Hockey Québec). Couturier wouldn't make Team Canada, so it's not much of an issue because it's Québec or No Team, but it's obviously different with Bergeron and Vlasic.

 

[Xokkeu]

I think that, in the scenario from the OP, the players wouldn't really have a choice.
I mean, I'm pretty sure Erik Karlsson is European... and he doesn't play for Team Europe.

But there are some... problem cases. Think Sean Couturier (regardless of his VERY justified beef against Hockey Québec). Couturier wouldn't make Team Canada, so it's not much of an issue because it's Québec or No Team, but it's obviously different with Bergeron and Vlasic.

Isn't Couturier from New Brunswick

 

[MXD]

Isn't Couturier from New Brunswick

He's from Arizona actually.

 

[Xokkeu]

He's from Arizona actually.

He's not really from Arizona. He lived there for less than a year.

 

[bert]

* It wouldn't handicap Canada because of the depth of talent that still exists beyond any notable French-Canadian players.

* Im not touching on the separatist stuff, but Quebec isn't some unique cultural hub within Canada. They have good strip-clubs, good poutine and a lot of complaining. If I'm looking for a rich and unique Culture unlike the rest of Canada I'll visit the territory of Nunavut.

And what is their identity? French-Canadian roots are closer to the Metis than anything purely European.

* Bettman will always be hated, he's tinkered with game too much in trying to pander to a disinterested American audiences. That doesn't get forgotten because he allows another gimmick team into a tournament.

* The US's problem was poor player selection and coaching, not being barred from selecting a couple under 23 players who wouldn't of prevented them from losing anyway.

So its not just leafs related, every post you make is short sighted and flame worthy. Your description of Quebec is actually offensive and embarassing. Have you ever actually left the GTA or are just this ignorant all the time?

This team would be competitive.

Huberdeau - Bergeron - Perron
Drouin - Brassard - Duclair
Tanguay - Ribiero - Perreault
Couturier - Pageau - Dubois
Mantha Marchesault Paquette Chiasson

Vlasic - Letang
Beauchemin - Demers
Scandella - Savard
Matheson

Crawford
Luongo
Bernier

 

[MXD]

He's not really from Arizona. He lived there for less than a year.

...And that's where it becomes a bit complicated.

Mom and Dad are Québecois, from la Rive-Sud. Sean is born in Arizona and followed his dad (something toddlers and children tend to do). The familiy settled in Québec for a few months, then headed for New Brunswick for a few years while Dad was GM of a Junior Club. Then Sean moved back to Québec (nowhere geographically close to New Brunswick and apparently without his dad) when Couturier was Pee-Wee-aged, but there was something with cut-off dates that meant Couturier would be stuck on a lower-level in Québec (than he'd be in NB): the family asked for a derogation, because he's on the "older side of his age group", not to mention he's good and huge. Hockey Québec says no. Daddy says "**** off, come back to NB Sean".

He could claim being Québecois (something he doesn't do), probably with cause, because he didn't spent a significant amount of time in Québec other than with Drummondville and isn't hockey-trained in Québec.

But then again : Couturier would either be in Team Québec or Home, because I don't see him make Team NA anytime soon.

 

[webersshot]

Why doesn't Quebec like us?

 

[MXD]

So its not just leafs related, every post you make is short sighted and flame worthy. Your description of Quebec is actually offensive and embarassing. Have you ever actually left the GTA or are just this ignorant all the time?

To be honest... Describing the French people of Québec as closer to Metis than European is probably right. Then again, the same can be said for "old stock" Ontarians.

 

[rj]

I don't get it

you say one state that's not really that big population-wise can almost beat the other 49 together

I do think something like this could work at a junior level. In Canada, they already have a "Canada Games" format although I don't know who or what age groups play in that tournament.

 

[rj]

...And that's where it becomes a bit complicated.

Mom and Dad are Québecois, from la Rive-Sud. Sean is born in Arizona and followed his dad (something toddlers and children tend to do). The familiy settled in Québec for a few months, then headed for New Brunswick for a few years while Dad was GM of a Junior Club. Then Sean moved back to Québec (nowhere geographically close to New Brunswick and apparently without his dad) when Couturier was Pee-Wee-aged, but there was something with cut-off dates that meant Couturier would be stuck on a lower-level in Québec (than he'd be in NB): the family asked for a derogation, because he's on the "older side of his age group", not to mention he's good and huge. Hockey Québec says no. Daddy says "**** off, come back to NB Sean".

But then again : Couturier would be in a Team Québec

If I was eligibility dictator: New Brunswick.

 

[bert]

To be honest... Describing the French people of Québec as closer to Metis than European is probably right. Then again, the same can be said for "old stock" Ontarians.

I was refering to his complete assasination of the culture. First saying they dont have any, which is obvious he has never been to Quebec. He then claimed a trait was 'complaining' to go along with strippers and poutine. Its ignorant.

 

[MXD]

If I was eligibility dictator: New Brunswick.

That's how Couturier perceives himself.
(I edited my post by the way)

 

[MXD]

I was refering to his complete assasination of the culture. First saying they dont have any, which is obvious he has never been to Quebec. He then claimed a trait was 'complaining' to go along with strippers and poutine. Its ignorant.

It is, but it's also completely expected.
So I prefered to focus on the one thing he had right.

(Of course, the same applies to Ontario...)