If Florida finishes it in game 5 and Bob has a good game, he will win
If it goes 7 games and Florida still wins, McDavid has a very strong case
If it goes 7 games and Florida still wins, McDavid has a very strong case
It's hilarious how this board can go from "McDavid has had a terrible finals" to "McDavid has had a better finals than Crosby ever had" just because McDavid put up some points in a blowout game
MLB has a stat called "win probability added", but we can track that in the NHL on sites like MoneyPuck as well. McDavid had points on the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th goals last night. In terms of win probability added, here's what those looked like:
4th: Increase by 6.5%
5th: Increase by 10.2%
6th: Increase by 0.02%
7th: Increase by 0%
And if you look at game 3, here were how McDavid's 2 points in the 3rd increased their odds at winning:
1st: Increase by 3.76%
2nd: Increase by 9.15%
For comparison, a "valuable" goal according to MoneyPuck seems to be adding a win probability of about 20%-25%. All of these points count, so you can't just say they didn't exist, but he's not putting up a lot of impactful points in this series. His overall stat line is good, but how much is he realistically helping the team if he's just putting up a bunch of points when the games are already over?
With Florida, people will now say that Bobrovsky doesn't deserve the Conn Smythe because he got pulled and that hurt his overall stats. But I personally don't think 1 bad game outweighs 3 terrific games, even if the stats suggest that's the case. If Bobrovsky has another strong game in game 5, I don't see how he doesn't win it. Yes, he had a shit game 4, but he has been absolutely massive for them winning the other games in the series.
Sid so far has the better career for me. I know it’s a team sport but it does matter.It’s not nothing and it adds to the greatness but the fact you agree that mcdavid is a better player despite those things proves my point. Mcdavid beats him everywhere else
It’s actually because he put up 4 points facing elimination in the biggest game of his career, breaking Wayne f***ing Gretzky’s playoff assist record in the processIt's hilarious how this board can go from "McDavid has had a terrible finals" to "McDavid has had a better finals than Crosby ever had" just because McDavid put up some points in a blowout game
MLB has a stat called "win probability added", but we can track that in the NHL on sites like MoneyPuck as well. McDavid had points on the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th goals last night. In terms of win probability added, here's what those looked like:
4th: Increase by 6.5%
5th: Increase by 10.2%
6th: Increase by 0.02%
7th: Increase by 0%
And if you look at game 3, here were how McDavid's 2 points in the 3rd increased their odds at winning:
1st: Increase by 3.76%
2nd: Increase by 9.15%
For comparison, a "valuable" goal according to MoneyPuck seems to be adding a win probability of about 20%-25%. All of these points count, so you can't just say they didn't exist, but he's not putting up a lot of impactful points in this series. His overall stat line is good, but how much is he realistically helping the team if he's just putting up a bunch of points when the games are already over?
With Florida, people will now say that Bobrovsky doesn't deserve the Conn Smythe because he got pulled and that hurt his overall stats. But I personally don't think 1 bad game outweighs 3 terrific games, even if the stats suggest that's the case. If Bobrovsky has another strong game in game 5, I don't see how he doesn't win it. Yes, he had a shit game 4, but he has been absolutely massive for them winning the other games in the series.
Yeah it totally depends on how you define and value accomplishments. I mostly have a problem with people claiming he’s a better player because of these accomplishments. They’re too circumstantial for me.Sid so far has the better career for me. I know it’s a team sport but it does matter.
McDavid can and likely will pass him. But those moments are the edge, they’re what defines a career. But pound for pound on the ice it’s obvious it’s Connor.
Oh, it could play out a different way and I'm fine with that, just saying from where I sit.Good thing you aren't a sports bettor lol
Don't mind him. It was an awful take. The Oilers will be even better next year if we don't win
lol
You're literally the worst poster I've encounted on HF in a long time, and that's saying something.
Two days ago you were on here arguing that McDavid's 2 points last game were meaningless because his team lost.....as if scoring clutch points in the third period trying to mount a comeback is a bad thing. Your argument was "he should score early to ensure a victory"
Today you're changed your tune to "pfft, those early points don't matter, they were going to win anyways"
Even MJ doesn't argue in as bad faith as you do in Crosby threads, and that's saying something.
Unfortunately for you, you are writing to a Tampa fan. If you know recent Tampa history (google 2019) you should know how much I am impressed by someone's regular season success during playoff time:the Oilers have faced 3 straight division winners in the playoffs this year
last year Vegas faced 0 division winners
but you wanna talk about Oilers "luck" lol
Holy hyperbole.He's been playing with what is probably a season ending injury
Why though?Ugh....sorry but there's no way he SHOULD get it in a 5 or 6 game loss.
Sure that's all relevant if you are talking about the SC and it's not like McDavid was playing poorly, the voters were watching him driving play and he was in on 75% of all the Oiler goals in the first 3 games.BoB or Barkov both have a case for the Cats. McDaid balled out last night. But it was way too late imo. Damage already done.
Yes the Olympic thing is crazy but it's also not a big deal either.If it goes 7 and they lose, I can see a case.
Crazy that the best player in the game will have waited 11 seasons before playing in the olympics.
It's amazing how many posters seem to think that the Conn Smythe is only for the final series and not the entire playoffs or so it seems from their posts.Barkov has been very good this series as well.. there is more to just scoring points .
Unless Bobrovski steals another game I have Barkov ahead of Bob.
1.Barkov
2.Bob
3.McDavid
It's amazing how many posters seem to think that the Conn Smythe is only for the final series and not the entire playoffs or so it seems from their posts.
The big difference is each of those players topping the scoring also led their clubs to the Cup. If the series was close there would be a case for McDavid to win the Conn Smythe.Playoff point leaders and closest non teammate:
1984:
Gretzky: 35
Gillies: 19
1985:
Gretzky: 47
Savard: 29
1988:
Gretzky: 43
Linesman: 25
1991:
Lemieux: 44
Bellows: 29
2009:
Malkin: 36
Zetterberg: 24
2024:
McDavid: 38
Barkov: 21
Only Gretzky has outdone McDavid (so far) by point gap and McDavid actually has the highest percentage margin in history. One of the very best playoff runs we have ever seen by far. If Leach, Hextall and Giguere can win the smythe in a losing effort, so can (arguably) the best non Gretzky playoff performance. He won’t win it but he should. It’s playoff MVP after all.
Playoff point leaders and closest non teammate:
1984:
Gretzky: 35
Gillies: 19
1985:
Gretzky: 47
Savard: 29
1988:
Gretzky: 43
Linesman: 25
1991:
Lemieux: 44
Bellows: 29
2009:
Malkin: 36
Zetterberg: 24
2024:
McDavid: 38
Barkov: 21
Only Gretzky has outdone McDavid (so far) by point gap and McDavid actually has the highest percentage margin in history. One of the very best playoff runs we have ever seen by far. If Leach, Hextall and Giguere can win the smythe in a losing effort, so can (arguably) the best non Gretzky playoff performance. He won’t win it but he should. It’s playoff MVP after all.
he broke gretzky’s record mate it is what it isIt's hilarious how this board can go from "McDavid has had a terrible finals" to "McDavid has had a better finals than Crosby ever had" just because McDavid put up some points in a blowout game
MLB has a stat called "win probability added", but we can track that in the NHL on sites like MoneyPuck as well. McDavid had points on the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th goals last night. In terms of win probability added, here's what those looked like:
4th: Increase by 6.5%
5th: Increase by 10.2%
6th: Increase by 0.02%
7th: Increase by 0%
And if you look at game 3, here were how McDavid's 2 points in the 3rd increased their odds at winning:
1st: Increase by 3.76%
2nd: Increase by 9.15%
For comparison, a "valuable" goal according to MoneyPuck seems to be adding a win probability of about 20%-25%. All of these points count, so you can't just say they didn't exist, but he's not putting up a lot of impactful points in this series. His overall stat line is good, but how much is he realistically helping the team if he's just putting up a bunch of points when the games are already over?
With Florida, people will now say that Bobrovsky doesn't deserve the Conn Smythe because he got pulled and that hurt his overall stats. But I personally don't think 1 bad game outweighs 3 terrific games, even if the stats suggest that's the case. If Bobrovsky has another strong game in game 5, I don't see how he doesn't win it. Yes, he had a shit game 4, but he has been absolutely massive for them winning the other games in the series.
You heard here first folks..
Rodrigues>McDavid
Crobsy played absolutely terrible
His first cup win in ‘09. The difference? Malkin and others stepping up and adding secondary scoring and Fleury playing stellar down the stretch. They won in 7 games and Crosby was basically a non factor that last game.
Why doesn’t he deserve the hype? He had a good chance of breaking Gretzkys
Assist playoff record. He’s arguably the best player in the world, he’s going to get a lot of attention.
If Florida wins the cup somebody on the Panthers should win the Conn Smythe & this is coming from an Oiler fan.
It's not like there is nobody worthy on the Panthers.
Can it really be one of the best playoff runs we've seen so far with only 6 goals scored so far? His first goal in his first ever SCF occurred while being down 0-3 in a blowout?
Hmmm.