How would the other 29 NHL teams fare if they fired their coach and hired Horachek?
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Maybe the leafs are doing bad because they're not a good team? They overachieve every year with an awful line up before going on their annual long stretxh of below .500 hockey
To answer the question, habs wild do probably just as well. Price would Carey the team like he is now with the awful coach the habs currently have employed
To answer the question, habs wild do probably just as well. Price would Carey the team like he is now with the awful coach the habs currently have employed
This guy is a bad head coach but the roster has some huge holes.
Still if Carlyle wasn't fired he could have been a candidate for coach of the year.
Carlyle is laughing all the way to the bank and I suspect he won't be unemployed long.
Still if Carlyle wasn't fired he could have been a candidate for coach of the year.
Carlyle is laughing all the way to the bank and I suspect he won't be unemployed long.
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Well played Sir.
Wow, that is some awful record. Or a pretty good tanking plan, if you want it that way
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Sometimes, players can make a coach look far better or far worse than what he is. Scapegoats for bad teams, way too often.
Jack Capuano must have taken some serious night school last year OR maybe adding guys like Leddy, Boychuk, Halak, Grabo, Kulemin, Strome, Lee, Nelson can make a big difference to the on-ice product.
Horacek is a red herring in Toronto's issues. They aren't as bad as their recent record but the team has given up. They lack leadership and fight in their best players and their fringe players aren't good enough to make up for that. Simple.
Carlyle seemed to get better results from his system. Maybe the jury's still out on Horacek and his system but he's just not in a fair situation to judge or gauge.
Jack Capuano must have taken some serious night school last year OR maybe adding guys like Leddy, Boychuk, Halak, Grabo, Kulemin, Strome, Lee, Nelson can make a big difference to the on-ice product.
Horacek is a red herring in Toronto's issues. They aren't as bad as their recent record but the team has given up. They lack leadership and fight in their best players and their fringe players aren't good enough to make up for that. Simple.
Carlyle seemed to get better results from his system. Maybe the jury's still out on Horacek and his system but he's just not in a fair situation to judge or gauge.
James Duthie
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Who cares, maybe Randy should be given more credit. He made a pile of crap look mediocre at best and now the pile of crap is a heaping smelly pile of crap with Petey Horachek
HockeyThoughts
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I would argue it's not Peter Horachek per se that is the problem, it is the system he is employing that is completely unsuited for the personnel on the team.
Also I love how people keep conveniently omitting the fact that the Toronto Maple Leafs went 2-7 leading to Randy Carlyle's firing. And that the team collapsed in a similar manner during the last ~20 games of last season. And the team gave up a 4-1 lead in Game 7 against the Boston Bruins the season before. All under Carlyle's tutelage.
Carlyle was not a good coach during his time with the Leafs. People need to stop thinking that because one coach has been worse that perhaps the other coach wasn't so bad. Why can't we just come to the conclusion that they both suck?
Why don't we ask:
What if Randy Carlyle were fired in the offseason and Peter Laviolette (currently coaching the #1 team in the NHL) were hired instead?
ie. a coach who employs an uptempo, offensive system and has had massive success in past decade or so of post-lockout hockey. (Stanley Cup with Carolina, SCF with Flyers, top of the league with Nashville)
When will people realize that the Leafs as they are currently constructed are an offensive team. We have high-end scoring talent (Phil Kessel), offensive scoring depth (JVR, Nazem Kadri, Joffrey Lupul, Tyler Bozak), plethora of puckmoving defenseman (Cody Franson, Morgan Rielly, Jake Gardiner), a potent PP and a great goaltender in Jonathan Bernier. We aren't a great forechecking or cycling team. We don't have the size or personnel to consistently play such a game. We are the perfect example of a team choosing to ignore their actual strengths and blindly play to the trends that are currently succeeding in the NHL. Too bad they can't seem to realize that all the post-lockout Stanley Cup winners have been leaders, not followers. Each team had their own distinct characteristics that stand out when assessing why exactly they won. The Anaheim Ducks were a hard nosed, physical top 6, bottom 6 team. The Detroit Red Wings were puck possession kings. The LA Kings and Chicago Blackhawks have relied on incredible depth throughout their line-ups. .. etc.. etc
The onus was on Leafs management to hire a coach who could employ a system that would get the most out of their top-end players on the Leafs. Look at the Alain Vigneault with the New York Rangers for example. He spent exactly one season behind the bench for the Rangers and took a team that had lost the 2nd round before his arrival to the Stanley Cup Finals. Rick Nash, a player who was supposedly "washed up" is having the best season of his career scoring at a 50G+ pace and playing a tremendous two-way game to boot. Derek Brassard has emerged a legitimate top 6 center scoring at a 68pt pace. Kevin Klein has matched his career high in points in 14 less GP. and so on and so forth.
Also I love how people keep conveniently omitting the fact that the Toronto Maple Leafs went 2-7 leading to Randy Carlyle's firing. And that the team collapsed in a similar manner during the last ~20 games of last season. And the team gave up a 4-1 lead in Game 7 against the Boston Bruins the season before. All under Carlyle's tutelage.
Carlyle was not a good coach during his time with the Leafs. People need to stop thinking that because one coach has been worse that perhaps the other coach wasn't so bad. Why can't we just come to the conclusion that they both suck?
Why don't we ask:
What if Randy Carlyle were fired in the offseason and Peter Laviolette (currently coaching the #1 team in the NHL) were hired instead?
ie. a coach who employs an uptempo, offensive system and has had massive success in past decade or so of post-lockout hockey. (Stanley Cup with Carolina, SCF with Flyers, top of the league with Nashville)
When will people realize that the Leafs as they are currently constructed are an offensive team. We have high-end scoring talent (Phil Kessel), offensive scoring depth (JVR, Nazem Kadri, Joffrey Lupul, Tyler Bozak), plethora of puckmoving defenseman (Cody Franson, Morgan Rielly, Jake Gardiner), a potent PP and a great goaltender in Jonathan Bernier. We aren't a great forechecking or cycling team. We don't have the size or personnel to consistently play such a game. We are the perfect example of a team choosing to ignore their actual strengths and blindly play to the trends that are currently succeeding in the NHL. Too bad they can't seem to realize that all the post-lockout Stanley Cup winners have been leaders, not followers. Each team had their own distinct characteristics that stand out when assessing why exactly they won. The Anaheim Ducks were a hard nosed, physical top 6, bottom 6 team. The Detroit Red Wings were puck possession kings. The LA Kings and Chicago Blackhawks have relied on incredible depth throughout their line-ups. .. etc.. etc
The onus was on Leafs management to hire a coach who could employ a system that would get the most out of their top-end players on the Leafs. Look at the Alain Vigneault with the New York Rangers for example. He spent exactly one season behind the bench for the Rangers and took a team that had lost the 2nd round before his arrival to the Stanley Cup Finals. Rick Nash, a player who was supposedly "washed up" is having the best season of his career scoring at a 50G+ pace and playing a tremendous two-way game to boot. Derek Brassard has emerged a legitimate top 6 center scoring at a 68pt pace. Kevin Klein has matched his career high in points in 14 less GP. and so on and so forth.
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Hawks would be fine, you can't mess up the lines easily when everybody has played with everybody.
HockeyThoughts
Delivering The Truth
Yeah his ridiculous system that involved using his offensive guns to take the lead and then turtling for the rest of the game was great.
Led to some absolutely great stuff.
2012-13: Historic collapse in Game 7 of the 1st round of the Stanley Cup Playoffs
2013-14: Going 2-12 in the stretch run of the regular season to piss away a playoff spot that had previously seemed firmly entrenched.
---> Set a historic shots against record.
2014-15: The team looked off all season. 2-7 run to finally get this fool fired.
He refused to make obvious adjustments (Tyler Bozak off the top line). He employed a ridiculously bad system with no knowledge on advanced statistics or the value of a possession game. He force-fed DAVID CLARKSON PP and ES minutes.
