So i was wondering what does everybody think in terms of the talent of the qmjgl,whl,ohl. I always thought that the OHL is the best in terms of high end talent and in general. I also think that WHL and QMJHL are fairly even what do you all think?
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CanuckBeSerious
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Yet the Q has won the last 2 Memorial Cups and currently has the top-ranked CHL team, not to mention 4 in the top 10.
There's more to a league than just the very top end. Which league is better, the top 10 NHL teams with 10 AHL teams and 10 ECHL teams or the bottom 20 NHL teams with the top 10 AHL teams?
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Except that is not the question at hand.
The question is where does most of the talent come from. The answer is the OHL produces the most talent drafted, followed by the WHL, and then the Q.
That does not mean the best player is from that league. Over the last 3 years, the best player has come from a different league: Mackinnon from the Q, Yakupov from the O, RNH from the W, and then a run of OHLers before that.
Seems as though the talent really equates to where there are the most people followed by the most hockey players. Rather simple.
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I think i would even take the OHLs d over the whls. hamilton connor murpy, ryan murphy, cody ceci, olli maata arron ekblad just to name a few
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You probably could have made that argument a couple years ago, but not now.
Murray, Rielly, Reinhart, Dumba, Pouliot, Jones, Pulock, etc. win that match-up easily, imo.
Yeah, I wouldn't. I'm not going to pretend the WHL is known for turning out high-octane top-six forwards on a regular basis. I can only think of a few like Getzlaf, E. Kane, and Versteeg, but d-men is a different story. If I can pick one league I'm allowed to draft d-men out of it's probably the WHL. OHL had a good run with Doughty, Pietrangelo, Bogosian in the one year though.
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Those teams wouldn't provide an accurate representation of the depth each league has.
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IMO, for the most consistency of pouring out talent, you go to the OHL for Forwards, WHL for Defensemen. Goalies is a crapshoot, there's lots of successful French goalies, but really it's more about how you develop them post draft than where they come from. The Q seems to spit out some really talented Forwards every so often, but most years they're from the O. My personal belief is that the Q is a lot more of a free wheeling league, less physicality and guys can just go. The WHL is where you'll get more of the big hitters ect. Could have something to do with all the farm boys and stuff from the small towns.
There's obviously players that will totally skew that every so often (RNH from WHL, Eric Gudbranson from the O), but the way I see it if you want to stereotype it that's the best way.
There's obviously players that will totally skew that every so often (RNH from WHL, Eric Gudbranson from the O), but the way I see it if you want to stereotype it that's the best way.
The QMJHL seems to encourage offensive creativity and, as a result, it seems we get some excellent high end offensive talent out of that league. Crosby, Bossy, Lemieux, Giroux.
The OHL has the largest concentration of hockey players to draw from so you see plenty of top end talent coming from that league. Gretzky, Spezza, Tavares, Stamkos.
The WHL tends to be a more defensive/physically oriented league and you end up seeing a lot of good defensemen coming out of the West. Keith, Weber, Phaneuf, Niedermayer.
As far a depth and overall talent goes, I believe it is OHL>WHL>QMJHL
The OHL has the largest concentration of hockey players to draw from so you see plenty of top end talent coming from that league. Gretzky, Spezza, Tavares, Stamkos.
The WHL tends to be a more defensive/physically oriented league and you end up seeing a lot of good defensemen coming out of the West. Keith, Weber, Phaneuf, Niedermayer.
As far a depth and overall talent goes, I believe it is OHL>WHL>QMJHL
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The problem with the "Q" is that there are a few really good teams (normally the same teams each year) who can compete with the best of the CHL, but a higher than average amount of mediocre and horrible teams. The gap is much bigger than with the teams in the WHL and the OHL. The scores are more often blowouts.
The QMJHL has 3 teams (out of 18) who have a goals for/against differential of more than -40
Shawinigan -67
Sherbrooke -62
Cape Breton -42
The OHL has one team
Peterborough -42
The WHL has no teams with that high of a goal differential, althought they do have two teams with more than a 30 goal difference.
Vancouver -33
Everett -30
The point is really that just looking at the top teams will not give you a complete idea of the strengths of each league. The QMJHL as a whole is not as strong as the OHL and WHL as much as I would like for it to be.
IMO, this year anyways..
OHL>WHL>>QMJHL
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The WHL is the better league.
Why?
Least amount of population of all 3 leagues to draw from yet it produces an equal amount of talent as the OHL
Why?
Least amount of population of all 3 leagues to draw from yet it produces an equal amount of talent as the OHL
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I would say by "this year anyways" the Q is a lot closer in talent. Just look at Quebec and Halifax alone for current and future talent, the Q has quite a bit of talent right now. But most years I'd agree with you
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Um... Population maybe, if you don't count USA options... But hockey population? Q wouldn't even be close to the WHL for hockey players to draw from. There's more Midget AAA teams in Winnipeg then their are in the Maritimes
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But that's the problem, if you're just looking at individual talent, yes you're right. But if you're looking at overall talent for the league, i'm sure its pretty much a normal year. There just seems to be a bigger gap in talent in the Q than the other leagues.
So you can't look at the Q top four team to say the league is good this year but you can look at the bottom three (in an expension year) to say it's not good?
What I would say is the OHL is almost always good, for the Dub and the Q it's more volatile, with the Q having the worst years.
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Some people seem to be hard headed around here...I didn't say that the top teams weren't good, I fact I said the top teams in the Q can compete with any team in the CHL. I just said that there's a bigger gap in talent between the top teams and the bottom teams in the QMJHL compared to other leagues...that's it. No doubt that the talent at the top is as good, and in some cases even better this year in the Q, but were looking at the whole league, and not just the talent at the top. Shawinigan and Sherbrooke IMO, are the worst teams in the CHL by far this year. Peterborough and Cape Breton are up there too, but those two teams are awful.
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There is a bigger gap between teams no doubt, always has been. But in terms of future nhl talent, judging right now, the Q is close to the dub. OHL is far and away the best.
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The Canadian Hockey League announced that 99 CHL players were selected in the seven rounds of the 2012 NHL Entry Draft representing nearly 47% of the 211 drafted players.
Of the 99 players selected, the Ontario Hockey League leads the way with 48 players which represents a modern draft record and their highest total since 1999 when 52 OHL players were picked in the nine-round draft process. This season the Western Hockey League had 32 players selected, and the Quebec Major Junior League had 19 players selected.
Last season, 101 CHL players were taken in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft including 46 from the OHL, 33 from the WHL, and 22 from the QMJHL.
2010 NHL Entry Draft led by 43 WHL players, followed by 42 from the OHL, and 22 from the QMJHL.
In total since 1969 the CHL has had 4,886 players selected representing over 50% of all players drafted with 2,072 from the OHL (21.2%), 1,795 from the WHL (18.4%), and 1,019 from the QMJHL (10.4%).
Of the 99 players selected, the Ontario Hockey League leads the way with 48 players which represents a modern draft record and their highest total since 1999 when 52 OHL players were picked in the nine-round draft process. This season the Western Hockey League had 32 players selected, and the Quebec Major Junior League had 19 players selected.
Last season, 101 CHL players were taken in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft including 46 from the OHL, 33 from the WHL, and 22 from the QMJHL.
2010 NHL Entry Draft led by 43 WHL players, followed by 42 from the OHL, and 22 from the QMJHL.
In total since 1969 the CHL has had 4,886 players selected representing over 50% of all players drafted with 2,072 from the OHL (21.2%), 1,795 from the WHL (18.4%), and 1,019 from the QMJHL (10.4%).
That's not what I was saying. I just think the same logic should apply for the top and the bottom. You can't judge a league just looking at the top team. Nothing wrong with that, but how in the next sentence can we judge the league with the bottom team? There's a lot of team who can beat the top team on any given night. The fact that Shawinigan destroys there team last year for the Mem Cup and that Sherbrooke are an expension team shouldn't impact the opinion of people for the league has a whole.
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