Player Discussion How overpaid is Tavares

[The Shadow]

Berube has brought out a bit of grit in him this year. I am loving JT and I think this is the year he helps the team go on a deep playoff run

 

[Divine]

What are yall even looking at. I know he had a career year that first year, that's what loving being a Leaf would do to ya. And there were some shiny #'s in that first year like the 47 goals. But really, dude's been steady except for last year, at near PPG status.

2018-19	1.07
2019-20	0.95
2020-21	0.89
2021-22	0.96
2022-23	1.00
2023-24	0.81
2024-25	0.95
Leaf Totals	0.95

I think ya forget 2019 and 2020 were both shortened years for him, so the #'s look smaller. But - He is who he has always been. Just better if anything. His Isles 9 yrs = .928 vs .95 as a 7 yr Leaf.

So ya, we kinda got exactly what we paid for.

Since when did under a PPG get you 11M?

He’s overpaid, there’s nothing wrong with admitting that. He knows he’s overpaid too which is why he’s not asking for 11M on his next year.

Has he been productive? Yes. Would I re-sign him for 11M? No.

I’d rather have kept both Kadri & Hyman.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

You mean 8M..??? A little rich, but ok.
Oh no, that's right!!! Dude was bought the f out from his actual cap hit of 8M cuz reasonz, and now has 9.5M in Salary still coming to him from that. So, of course he took a 1 year shave at 3M. Ain't no JT either.

Ridiculous comparable.

So realistically, without a buyout on top, you double that for JT and we agree - around 6 is a bargain, f'real.

last year was the year he signed after a buyout.
this year he signed one year one 3 million, because he was happy in Dallas and realized it was a good fit, good chance to win. sounds a little like JT.

last year he had the same 65 points as JT.
This year he is over a point a game, ahead of JT.
JT was more consistent early in his career, but last 3-4 years, there stats are pretty comparable.
Same age, and Duchene is faster. Not sure why that is a ridiculous comparable.

but I guess this is Toronto so we have to give even more money to some who already got close to 80 million for one playoff round in 6 years as the captain. Kopitar and Bergeron got paid because they brought cups.

6 is not bargain, and i wouldnt want him on the team at that, especially if we early exit this yaer again, try something else.

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

Since when did under a PPG get you 11M?

He’s overpaid, there’s nothing wrong with admitting that. He knows he’s overpaid too which is why he’s not asking for 11M on his next year.

Has he been productive? Yes. Would I re-sign him for 11M? No.

I’d rather have kept both Kadri & Hyman.

You're conflating the two. The point isn't since when did ppg get you 11M, its more since when was a guy of his calibre even available on free agency at the peak of his powers, and what is that worth. There is no doubt there was both a Free Agency and Franchise player surtax that brought that total to 11. That's just what it costs. Others were prepared to pay more (SJ). Based on those elements, he took a 2.5M cut (from 13.5). Context matters here. If he was a Leaf when he signed, and wasn't a franchise player in free agency - then sure, he likely signs at that time for 9.

If you didn't agree with the cost on day 1, and there were some that didn't - I get it. But to say the cost wasn't earned, based on what the player was doing before and now after the deal - well, that ain't right. We got what we signed up for, even if you didn't -or just don't like it now.

 

[1specter]

Dreger creating that cap space for his boys Ferris and Mitch

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

last year was the year he signed after a buyout.
this year he signed one year one 3 million, because he was happy in Dallas and realized it was a good fit, good chance to win. sounds a little like JT.

last year he had the same 65 points as JT.
This year he is over a point a game, ahead of JT.
JT was more consistent early in his career, but last 3-4 years, there stats are pretty comparable.
Same age, and Duchene is faster. Not sure why that is a ridiculous comparable.

but I guess this is Toronto so we have to give even more money to some who already got close to 80 million for one playoff round in 6 years as the captain. Kopitar and Bergeron got paid because they brought cups.

6 is not bargain, and i wouldnt want him on the team at that, especially if we early exit this yaer again, try something else.

They're not close. But again, context matters. This guy got bought out, has 9M and change sitting in his back pocket for nothing over the next 6 years - and took a one year 3Miller cuz he finally felt comfy, after getting cut from his team.

That 3 is never happening for someone who actually performed on his contract throughout, never got the benefit of a buyout sum in near double figures and did what you asked of him. I just want fans to be realistic and not disappointed expecting something like 3, and yelling into their interwebs about it for eternity.
If he does get to 3, great. Dudes a saint then - at least he had the balls to come here, never forget that. But given the context again, you'd have to likely double that comfy 3. And while I understand YOU "wouldn't want him on the team at that" - that really has no bearing. The market will dictste it, and if you remove emotion and fallacies with other unicorn situations, the market tells you anything at or under a 6 is literally a steal.