How many jobs are on the line?

[CaptainCrunch17]

The delusion from the dubas fan boys is honestly mind blowing.

Here's a small recap and feel free to add your own experineces:

-dubas didn't overpay our players, the other gms underpaid
-it's the players fault, not dubas
-it's the refs
-cursed
-it's the league
-it's the frozen cap
-lous fault
-babcocks fault
-Freddies fault
-it's the cores fault
-Kadri

I mean, they are literally giving dubas praise after his 4th first round loss in a row.

I've never seen these kidns of excuses for Lou, nonis, Burke, ect.

It must be cognitive dissonance as there is no other explanation for these kinds of excuses.

It actually all makes sense when you understand that these Dubas defenders, are actually bigger fans of Kyle Dubas, than they are of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[Stamkos4life]

The Matthews contract was the worst of all worlds. 5 year term walking him straight to UFA. A huge cap hit that should be reserved for 8 year deals. And somehow the NMC despite not giving in on a single contract issue. Dubas bent over, spread 'em, and told Matthews to have at 'em.

If he wanted shorter term then he should've had to get paid less. If he wanted the money he should've been forced to sign for 8. If he wanted a NMC then it's 8 years at a lower cap hit.

I've been telling people since 2019 that that was a horrible contract.

Mcdavid had multiple art rosses when he signed for 12.5 x 8. Matthews had a career high of 70 points and a Calder but still got 11.6 x 5 and a nmc.

Of course marner saw that and had a career high of 93 points so he got paid too.

Dubas f***ed us with those contracts.

 

[Gilles Meloche]

Trotz in Keefe out and roll…

 

[ToneDog]

Shanahan has hired 3 head coaches. Why give him the opportunity to hire a 4th?

If you are going to give him 6 cracks at winning a playoff round, kind of makes sense to give him a shot at a 4th coach and another GM or two or three.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Only logging back into this toxic place to state the obvious from a year ago, fire Dubas already. Ask yourself, how this guy got the job in the first place. Go back to spring 2018, has he really improved this roster? An online fantasy league manager could do better.

He chose to lock up 50% of the cap towards the finesse 4. What an idiot. Sure he made some decent moves, so what? Draft record, trade record, etc. Awful. Time is not on their side, Matthews is UFA in 2 years. That was your window. Anyone who's watched the game long enough can see this team's weaknesses. Pathetic.

The dubas fan boys act like dubas is some genius but who thinks locking 50% of your cap in 4 forwards is a smart idea?

Who thought getting rid of mcbackup for sparks was intelligent?

Who thought trading Kadri for kerfoot and barrie was a huge win for us?

The answer to all three questions above is dubas and his fan club.

But it seems like after supporting dubas so faithfully for 4 years, it has become newr impossible to admit that they were wrong. Instead they just come up with worse and worse excuses after each successive fires round loss.

 

[JKG33]

I've been telling people since 2019 that that was a horrible contract.

Mcdavid had multiple art rosses when he signed for 12.5 x 8. Matthews had a career high of 70 points and a Calder but still got 11.6 x 5 and a nmc.

Of course marner saw that and had a career high of 93 points so he got paid too.

Dubas f***ed us with those contracts.

I was in the same boat. Matthews is a fine player but he hadn't earned nor had the leverage to demand that kind of contract.

If there truly was a offersheet threat from cash poor Arizona, they should've taken the 4x 1sts. Those 1sts would've been lottery picks with or without Matthews

 

[BrannigansLaw]

I want Dubas, Shanahan and Keefe fired TODAY. Don’t even wait. Put Cliff Fletcher’s geriatric ass in charge for awhile but enough is enough.

Some of you guys are ok being losers. Not me. Not anymore. If this was a business (which it is), their asses would have been canned years ago.

No more chances. Nothing.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Dubas:

Trades Marleau + a 1st for temporary (less than a year) of cap relief
Trades Durzi and a 1st for Muzzin
Trades Kadri for Kerfoot and a year of Barrie
Trades Marchment for Malgin LOL
Trades Brown and Zaitsev for Ceci LOL
Trades Kapanen for 3 guys who never pan out and a 1st
Trades Martin for nothing and creates a huge hole on the 4th line
Trades a 1st rounder for 11 games of Foligno, a fourth line plug LOL
Trades Trevor Moore for Campbell (Best trade was a wash at best LOLOLOL)

Lets Andersen walk to a .930 season in Carolina, Signs useless Simmonds instead of Perry, Signed Mrazek to a literally insane contract, signed Matthews to the most player friendly deal in the NHL, Trades for McCann only to expose and lose him for nothing LOL

I mean that's just off the top of my head. Honestly, I think it's hilarious that any of you still have faith in Kyle Dubas. I thought Bergevin was bad but he never had the chance to squander as many assets as Kyle has. One of the most overrated GMs I've ever seen in hockey.

Keefe is a horrible coach btw. His comment about getting more handshake respect is the most pathetic line of copium I've seen in a long time. Junior run pro team. Hilarious

Not to mention draining all the energy off your top line before the final minute

I like the list. I'd add committing 50% of your cap to 4 forwards also is quite the blunder.

It's amazing how the dubas fan boys will tell us that Kyle is an amazing drafter, an awesome scout, a good asset manager, intelligent, and better than most other gms and yet the results are quite different.

Some of us started telling others back in 2019 that dubas was trash. I and others like me were mocked by the dubas fan boys, told we weren't leaf fans because we doubted kyle lmao

Here were are three years later with our 4th consecutive loss with dubas as gm and they are still giving him praise.

I have never seen delusion like this before.

Dubas has wasted four years of the most promising team I have ever seen.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

They have us trained well, seems the majority are not upset with the loss because we made it competitive, that's the sad truth of it all, we are so starved for success and so used to absolute failure that we're happy now just making it competitive.

Seems like nothing is changing and we will go in next year which will be 7 years of tinkering to the same effect.

Oh well, it is what it is, but at some point we have to look in the mirror and be honest with ourselves, this is 6 straight years of first round exits. With no changes Einstein would think us crazy.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

The delusion from the dubas fan boys is honestly mind blowing.

Here's a small recap and feel free to add your own experineces:

-dubas didn't overpay our players, the other gms underpaid
-it's the players fault, not dubas
-it's the refs
-cursed
-it's the league
-it's the frozen cap
-lous fault
-babcocks fault
-Freddies fault
-it's the cores fault
-Kadri

I mean, they are literally giving dubas praise after his 4th first round loss in a row.

I've never seen these kidns of excuses for Lou, nonis, Burke, ect.

It must be cognitive dissonance as there is no other explanation for these kinds of excuses.

You forgot goalie’d

And don' forget lucky.

And the NHL playoff format is bad. But, those suggesting this seem to forget the gift we got in the COVID season.

 

[Stamkos4life]

he hired 2, reupped humpty

shahanan and dubas arent getting fired imo. They will get one last shot to imrpvoe roster and coach.

Did you also say "one more year" last year?

It's amazing how many are fine running it back for a 5th year when we've had the exact same results the last 4.

What's the definition of insanity again? Oh yeah, trying the same thing over and over but expecting different results.

 

[DuklaNation]

Somehow in a few years prior to 2014, Dubas got hired as assistant GM of the Leafs. He acquired all the knowledge, experience needed for the job at age 28? Then GM at age 32? Sometimes, upper management gets stuck in the trees, you need someone outside to turn the light on. Dubas has been an utter disaster.

 

[therealkoho]

If I had my way, the only ones with jobs on the line would be NHL referees...

I agree, but sadly this is what the NHL wants. The NHL knows that certain teams don't need any help trying to survive financially. These teams have built in and self perpetuating fanbases whose support will never disappear from the box office.

The BettMan knows that this is true for all of the Canadian based teams, taxes and dollar values are the only hiccup in that formula. He also knows the same holds true for several of the teams based in the NE USA, although they will receive some preference in on ice calls, at least in most cases over their Canadian based brethren.

The only job I'm hoping is in jeopardy, belongs to the chief representation of "LeaFland." The guy isn't funny nor is he clever and never has been. He's merely a one trick monotone pony with nothing of any immediate interest to say. He's childish and noisy and I've never understood his appeal, and what's most puzzling is that he's mawking a portion of the Leafs fanbase.

So who's ever responsible for approving the shows budget at SN, it's come time to see that the joke has run its course and use the funds for more constructive things in pursuit of perpetuating and enlarging the Leafs fanbase. Dangle should be fired and not even return in reruns.

 

[Stamkos4life]

I just told you. promoting an interim to tank is not hiring a coach. you spun or what

Shanny has been here for 8 years.

Dubas has been here for 8 years and 4 years as the gm.

Also, promoting someone to be head coach is the same thing as hiring a head coach.

I'm not sure who you are trying to fool but it isn't working.

 

[rocketman588]

I was in the same boat. Matthews is a fine player but he hadn't earned nor had the leverage to demand that kind of contract.

If there truly was a offersheet threat from cash poor Arizona, they should've taken the 4x 1sts. Those 1sts would've been lottery picks with or without Matthews

Not only that but he made our head coach travel to AZ to suck his balls which began a two year run of Dubas undermining our coach

 

[The Masters]

Did you also say "one more year" last year?

It's amazing how many are fine running it back for a 5th year when we've had the exact same results the last 4.

What's the definition of insanity again? Oh yeah, trying the same thing over and over but expecting different results.

yah which is why they gotta make changes if they stay.

 

[The Masters]

Shanny has been here for 8 years.

Dubas has been here for 8 years and 4 years as the gm.

Also, promoting someone to be head coach is the same thing as hiring a head coach.

I'm not sure who you are trying to fool but it isn't working.

everyone knows that isnt hiring a coach, especially when you understand context of that season as they were trying to tank for mcdavid lol. but good try. if u honestly think shanahan 'hired' horacheck to be the leafs coach, like a real one, u dont understand how management in pro sports works.

shanahan and dubas arent getting fired

 

[lebdafor norris]

This depends on how you look at it
Was the team built for the Stanley Cup regular season or the playoffs?

If youre happy with winning the division every year, then mission successful. The team is built perfect, let's try and push it to 120 points next year!

2022/2023 Presidents Trophy will be our Stanley Cup.

 

[DuklaNation]

I like the list. I'd add committing 50% of your cap to 4 forwards also is quite the blunder.

It's amazing how the dubas fan boys will tell us that Kyle is an amazing drafter, an awesome scout, a good asset manager, intelligent, and better than most other gms and yet the results are quite different.

Some of us started telling others back in 2019 that dubas was trash. I and others like me were mocked by the dubas fan boys, told we weren't leaf fans because we doubted kyle lmao

Here were are three years later with our 4th consecutive loss with dubas as gm and they are still giving him praise.

I have never seen delusion like this before.

Dubas has wasted four years of the most promising team I have ever seen.

People here call Dubas intelligent? Based on what exactly? Graduated from Brock with sports management degree (I didnt even know that was a program, especially given the obvious low demand for it in the private sector)? I cant quite figure out how Dubas even got this job. Based on what? Impressive power point presentation skills? Its baffling.

 

[saffronleaf]

No one will lose their jobs. This fanbase is so pathetic. Everyone's just very appreciative of the solid effort against a tough opponent. The fanbase gets what it deserves.

 

[Drytoast]

I dont think any major changes need to happen outside of dealing with salary cap woes and having to resign some important positions.

I could see Nylander being traded to free up cap space.

 

[nuck]

If you are going to give him 6 cracks at winning a playoff round, kind of makes sense to give him a shot at a 4th coach and another GM or two or three.

I suspect Shanahan is going to sink or swim with KD. But for a bounce or two they are past the Bolts and a great regular season plus almost knocked off the champs looks fine in isolation. Just a minor tweak to get over the hump right?

If ownership doesn't look at things as 6 fails but rather 6 years of building and getting closer every year then why would anything change? We dont know what went on behind closed doors last year or how close changes were to being made.

I think if Shanny wanted to remove the coach.and GM he could do it. I dont know that it adds more than a year to his shelf life though and one assumes he knows who is out there. I believe Dubas will protect Keefe this year unless he is turfed himself.

What could Kyle do to make this club a winner? If he finally feels some heat what's his big play? That to me is the question for this off season.

 

[Canadian Finn]

They have us trained well, seems the majority are not upset with the loss because we made it competitive, that's the sad truth of it all, we are so starved for success and so used to absolute failure that we're happy now just making it competitive.

Seems like nothing is changing and we will go in next year which will be 7 years of tinkering to the same effect.

Oh well, it is what it is, but at some point we have to look in the mirror and be honest with ourselves, this is 6 straight years of first round exits. With no changes Einstein would think us crazy.

question the "majority".

the majority of this trash heap of a board, maybe.

leaving the arena and walking around down town last night the majority were absolutely upset.

 

[seventieslord]

I get the whole "not getting out of the first round is unacceptable" thing, and yes it matters, but how much does it matter if we lose in the first or third round other than it feels better for a short time?

It feels better for a long time. 93, 94, 99, 02, we all still remember those days fondly.

What a stupid way to judge a prospect pool. The Leaf's are acquiring top prospects in the late first/2nd/3rd rounds. Your expecting teenagers to be on the team?

This is insane.

Yes, there's good reason to believe that the dubas era Leafs have outperformed their draft position by getting good value picks, but these are by no means "top prospects" .

 

[I am Canadian]

It feels better for a long time. 93, 94, 99, 02, we all still remember those days fondly.


This is insane.

Yes, there's good reason to believe that the dubas era Leafs have outperformed their draft position by getting good value picks, but these are by no means "top prospects" .

Knies, Niemela and Robertson are within the top 25-30 prospects in the league. They were all drafted after the mid 2nd round.

That is outstanding, and not arguable. Sorry people.