How many jobs are on the line?

[jackeymoon]

Dubas:

Trades Marleau + a 1st for temporary (less than a year) of cap relief
Trades Durzi and a 1st for Muzzin
Trades Kadri for Kerfoot and a year of Barrie
Trades Marchment for Malgin LOL
Trades Brown and Zaitsev for Ceci LOL
Trades Kapanen for 3 guys who never pan out and a 1st
Trades Martin for nothing and creates a huge hole on the 4th line
Trades a 1st rounder for 11 games of Foligno, a fourth line plug LOL
Trades Trevor Moore for Campbell (Best trade was a wash at best LOLOLOL)

Lets Andersen walk to a .930 season in Carolina, Signs useless Simmonds instead of Perry, Signed Mrazek to a literally insane contract, signed Matthews to the most player friendly deal in the NHL, Trades for McCann only to expose and lose him for nothing LOL

I mean that's just off the top of my head. Honestly, I think it's hilarious that any of you still have faith in Kyle Dubas. I thought Bergevin was bad but he never had the chance to squander as many assets as Kyle has. One of the most overrated GMs I've ever seen in hockey.

Keefe is a horrible coach btw. His comment about getting more handshake respect is the most pathetic line of copium I've seen in a long time. Junior run pro team. Hilarious

Not to mention draining all the energy off your top line before the final minute

 

[DavePoulin4PM]

more and more I think Keefe is a goner.

Game 4 doesnt get talked about enough. That was bad. and game 7 we didnt come out ready to take it and win the fkin game. Thats on the coach. Need more intensity and that type of dna. dubas and shanny i give them another year to make changes along with coach and see what happens.

Shanahan has hired 3 head coaches. Why give him the opportunity to hire a 4th?

 

[BallardEra]

I've said it before. Keefe reminds me of early era Caps Bruce Boudreau. They'll rack up the wins but eventually you'll need another coach to take you to the next level.

 

[kevsh]

3 straight years Toronto was the higher seed and they lost. In those series they had a total of 6 chances to finish off a lower seed team and couldn't do it.

I've said before that a lot of what Dubas has done the past few years has been very good, but when the formula isn't working - and it clearly hasn't - then at some point the higher-ups make the call that the team needs a new direction. In a market as big as Toronto, with this much pressure and this much failure, how can a GM possibly survive this?

I also don't buy that "they're close". Because I went big on Tampa players in my playoff draft last year I watched every game last spring. This was not the same Bolts team. Still very good this year, but certainly beatable. Vasilevskiy was human, their stars weren't as good overall and their PK should have been exposed by what was supposed to be the league's best PP. Tampa did not take it by force like last year, Toronto in many ways gave it to them.

So looking ahead, if the belief internally is that Dubas should get another crack, then we all know how the summer goes: Due to cap issues re-tooling bottom 6 players, a few of which will be gambles (like Ritchie, Kase, etc.). A contract may have to be moved to bring Campbell back. Mikheyev may walk for nothing. Lyubushkin and Giordano may also walk so the blueline will need work to get it back to where it is now.

In short, rinse and repeat the same plan that has won this team exactly zero playoff series in 6 tries. If that isn't a huge, flashing red light that what you're doing isn't working then I don't know what is. A new direction, a coaching philosophy, a shakeup to get some cap relief and re-tooling to get some new energy (e.g. Move on from the softness of Engvall & Nylander for starters).

 

[The Masters]

Shanahan has hired 3 head coaches. Why give him the opportunity to hire a 4th?

he hired 2, reupped humpty

shahanan and dubas arent getting fired imo. They will get one last shot to imrpvoe roster and coach.

 

[rocketman588]

How can you be a “good GM” if you are incapable of winning in the playoffs or winning a division title? Dubas has accomplished nothing.

He's not unless you're riding solely for him because he "uses analytics" ( and somehow does it worse then every other team that is trying this) and has a grandma that tweets

 

[Stamkos4life]

What is your point then? You keep rebutting with “that’s not what I meant” so what did you mean? Who’s this magical solution in net?

This all started from me saying if I were gm, I wouldn't run with Campbell and mrazek.

A poster told me there were no goalies available. I never mentioned the NHL trade deadline but for some reason that's the only time period the poster seemed to care about.

I told them that there were multiple goalies available. If we are for some reason limited to just the trade deadline even though dubas has been here for 4+ years now, then I would've targeted maf.

Now I'm sorry but i don't have a crystal ball that can guarantee we would win the series with maf.

But I also wouldn't have waited until the 2022 trade deadline to solve my goalie problem.

 

[DavePoulin4PM]

he hired 2, reupped humpty

shahanan and dubas arent getting fired imo. They will get one last shot to imrpvoe roster and coach.

He fired Randy Carlyle while they were in a playoff spot and hand picked Peter Horachek. He has hired 3 head coaches. The Leafs president GM and coach would not be in their roles with any other NHL organization. Most resources of any NHL organization and this is what you end up with. 3 stooges. The bar is so low it is pathetic. You are right they are not going anywhere and the Leafs will continue to lose when it matters.

 

[The Masters]

He fired Randy Carlyle while they were in a playoff spot and hand picked Peter Horachek. He has hired 3 head coaches. The Leafs president GM and coach would not be in their roles with any other NHL organization. Most resources of any NHL organization and this is what you end up with. 3 stooges. The bar is so low it is pathetic.

incorrect. he has only hired 2. no one is even counting their tank year, not sure why thats being brought up. he hired babcock and keefe. thats it. he fired carlyl cuz the team stunk anyway that season and werent doing anything.

 

[DavePoulin4PM]

incorrect. he has only hired 2. no one is even counting their tank year, not sure why thats being brought up. he hired babcock and keefe. thats it. he fired carlyl cuz the team stunk anyway that season and werent doing anything.

They were in a playoff spot when he fired Carlyle. I am not sure why someone would not count that year? Very very bizarre. Like I said the bar is so low and you are proving that with your posts . Enjoy your day.

 

[Apex Predator]

If you fire Keefe and bring in Trotz you need to switch the look of the team as this is not what a Trotz team looks like.

Our star players will need to buy in to defense first and be willing to sacrifice goals and points. Do you believe Matthew, Marner and Nylander will do that?

 

[Stamkos4life]

Dubas has consistently improved this team year over year, despite everything he was saddled with when he started.

This team had everything it needed to win. The failure is on the coach and players.

And just to prevent stupid responses, no, he hasn't been perfect in his job, but that doesn't make him the problem.

Dubas is in charge of the team. He decides who is a member of the Maple leafs and who coaches them.

If the Leafs won the cup this year, dubas would be getting an insane amount of praise for the team he assembled.

But we didn't. Instead we get our 6th first round loss in a row with dubas is a member of this team and 4th in a row with him as the gm.

When the Leafs fail, the gm fails. Dubas has failed 4 years in a row after inheriting a 105 point team with three of the best rfas we have ever had.

Ever single gm in the league would kill for the opportunity dubas received. While dubas is squandering what should be some of the best years for this team.

He is absolutely at fault. You can't blame the players when the person who is responsible for the players being their has had the same results for 4 years.

How many more first round loses before you are willing to accept that dubas needs to go? Will 5 be enough?

 

[The Masters]

They were in a playoff spot when he fired Carlyle. I am not sure why someone would not count that year? Very very bizarre. Like I said the bar is so low and you are proving that with your posts . Enjoy your day and losing.

i am just correcting you because you keep saying he hired 3 coaches when that in fact is false. Do your research before writing on a forum when you know dont know what you are saying. Everyone knows he put horachek in to tank, and putting an interim is not hiring a coach Lol. Go have a beer jim

 

[DavePoulin4PM]

If you fire Keefe and bring in Trotz you need to switch the look of the team as this is not what a Trotz team looks like.

Our star players will need to buy in to defense first and be willing to sacrifice goals and points. Do you believe Matthew, Marner and Nylander will do that?

Ovechkin had no problem buying into his system. If he can do it why can’t our “special” players?

i am just correcting you because you keep saying he hired 3 coaches when that in fact is false. Do your research before writing on a forum when you know dont know what you are saying. Everyone knows he put horachek in to tank, and putting an interim is not hiring a coach Lol. Go have a beer jim

So who hired Peter Horachek if it wasn’t the president who announced that he hired Horachek? LOL! Can’t make this stuff up.

 

[MSZ]

If you fire Keefe and bring in Trotz you need to switch the look of the team as this is not what a Trotz team looks like.

Our star players will need to buy in to defense first and be willing to sacrifice goals and points. Do you believe Matthew, Marner and Nylander will do that?

You have to try something different if you want a different result. Status quo with the same coach, same players and system will get them nowhere but another first round exit next year.

 

[DuklaNation]

Your bottom 6 MUST have wingers that are physical, can skate, go to the crease, strong on the boards. Kerfoot is not a contending team's 3rd line C. Look at the playoff stats for this roster's bottom 6 aside from Spezza. Awful. There are other issues but this part can be addressed within your cap limitations IF you have a good GM. Unfortunately, Dubas is not willing to change his approach which requires his immediate removal. Still in denial phase.

 

[The Masters]

Ovechkin had no problem buying into his system. If he can do it why can’t our “special” players?



So who hired Peter Horachek if it wasn’t the president who announced that he hired Horachek? LOL! Can’t make this stuff up.

I just told you. promoting an interim to tank is not hiring a coach. you spun or what

 

[DavePoulin4PM]

I just told you. promoting an interim to tank is not hiring a coach. you spun or what

Tanking while in a playoff spot hahaha. This is too funny please keep going

 

[LeafsFan89]

I think this Leafs playoff series was the best one we played with this core. I admit that the core 4 showed up (at least more so than any other playoff series to date).

I think Auston Matthews is the best Leaf player I have ever seen in the 26 years I have been actively cheering for this team. However, I am pretty disappointed with Auston Matthews in game 7. Again. It would be nice if the player who took this team to the woodshed for a horrible contract put the team on his back like he does during the regular season and get this team through game 7. This is likely the future captain, and he has never been "dominant" in any playoff game to date that I can recall like we see in the regular season. There is a clear gap between Crosby, McDavid and Auston Matthews.

We are playing likely one of Bos, Car, TB, Fla next year. Not limited to Matthews, but at what point do you move on from these anti-clutch core 4 players?

 

[The Masters]

Tanking while in a playoff spot hahaha. This is too funny please keep going

yeah since you're clueless they tanked bc they stunk and had no future. Lol u just keep embarrasing yourself with your lack of knowledge jim.

 

[JKG33]

Dubas:

Trades Marleau + a 1st for temporary (less than a year) of cap relief
Trades Durzi and a 1st for Muzzin
Trades Kadri for Kerfoot and a year of Barrie
Trades Marchment for Malgin LOL
Trades Brown and Zaitsev for Ceci LOL
Trades Kapanen for 3 guys who never pan out and a 1st
Trades Martin for nothing and creates a huge hole on the 4th line
Trades a 1st rounder for 11 games of Foligno, a fourth line plug LOL
Trades Trevor Moore for Campbell (Best trade was a wash at best LOLOLOL)

Lets Andersen walk to a .930 season in Carolina, Signs useless Simmonds instead of Perry, Signed Mrazek to a literally insane contract, signed Matthews to the most player friendly deal in the NHL, Trades for McCann only to expose and lose him for nothing LOL

I mean that's just off the top of my head. Honestly, I think it's hilarious that any of you still have faith in Kyle Dubas. I thought Bergevin was bad but he never had the chance to squander as many assets as Kyle has. One of the most overrated GMs I've ever seen in hockey.

Keefe is a horrible coach btw. His comment about getting more handshake respect is the most pathetic line of copium I've seen in a long time. Junior run pro team. Hilarious

Not to mention draining all the energy off your top line before the final minute

Getting rid of Kadri was addition by subtraction, the dude is a moron. But otherwise I agree with you.

There's two seemingly minor moves that really stick out to me that prove Dubas can't build a winning team:

The first was Marchment for Malgin. At the time of the trade it was a swap of two mediocre prospects. But he traded away the player who can fill a 4th line roll playing a physical brand of hockey for Malgin, who was another small skill player that didn't pan out. Marchment turning into what he has is just the icing on the cake.

The second was draft Amirov over Schneider. This team needed a physical right handed d-man, and instead Dubas yet again opts for the small skilled forward, as if this team somehow doesn't have enough of them. And now Schneider is playing on a playoff team while Amirov is in Russia (and still would've been even if he were healthy)

 

[Stamkos4life]

The failure is on the players, but who brought in these players? Who refuses to shakeup the core? Right, Kyle Dubas.

I can't believe the level of delusion it takes to say such a thing. Dubas has been here what.. 8 years? And 4 as GM... he's had time to change things if he didn't like this group. It's not like he just inherited this team a year ago and is still evaluating.

The delusion from the dubas fan boys is honestly mind blowing.

Here's a small recap and feel free to add your own experineces:

-dubas didn't overpay our players, the other gms underpaid
-it's the players fault, not dubas
-it's the refs
-cursed
-it's the league
-it's the frozen cap
-lous fault
-babcocks fault
-Freddies fault
-it's the cores fault
-Kadri

I mean, they are literally giving dubas praise after his 4th first round loss in a row.

I've never seen these kidns of excuses for Lou, nonis, Burke, ect.

It must be cognitive dissonance as there is no other explanation for these kinds of excuses.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

LMFAO, because it's so difficult to suck. Bahahahahaha, if that's the best you got, we're done here.

Laugh all you want but your hero Dubas is pretty damn good at sucking in the playoffs.

Lou left, took over a two year non-playoff team who lost their captain and somehow he made the playoffs in his first year. Oh and guess what, in his first year he actually won a playoff round beating the Pens in 4 straight.

Lou won a playoff round, that elusive challenge that Dubas can’t seem to conquer. He followed that up by going to the conference finals twice.

Lou’s record since leaving
Made playoffs 3 out of 4 years
Won 6 playoff rounds and made 2 appearances in Conference finals
Won GM of the year twice in 2020 and 2021

Dubas’s record since taking over
Made playoffs 4 times
Won 0 playoff rounds

 

[Apex Predator]

The delusion from the dubas fan boys is honestly mind blowing.

Here's a small recap and feel free to add your own experineces:

-dubas didn't overpay our players, the other gms underpaid
-it's the players fault, not dubas
-it's the refs
-cursed
-it's the league
-it's the frozen cap
-lous fault
-babcocks fault
-Freddies fault
-it's the cores fault
-Kadri

I mean, they are literally giving dubas praise after his 4th first round loss in a row.

I've never seen these kidns of excuses for Lou, nonis, Burke, ect.

It must be cognitive dissonance as there is no other explanation for these kinds of excuses.

You forgot goalie’d

 

[ToneDog]

You forgot goalie’d

And don' forget lucky.