How many jobs are on the line?

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

First, you cannot assume that because he went for that the Leafs would have paid the same price.

And what did he end up doing?

they sat him, but that's their own stupid choice that's not on him

 

[mapleleaf979]

That room meshes well , a bunch of gutless players who want max money.....

 

[colchar]

Maf had a better sv% than Campbell and all we needed was 1 less goal in game 6.

Where is a facepalm smilie when I need one?

Just because he played that way in one series does not mean he would have played that way in this one, nor does it mean the series would have played out the same way.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Nylander (For a player with consistent similar numbers, that can play an all around game)

If we had a Nylander on every line we'd sweep every series so not sure why you want to get rid of the only one we have.

Consistent 70+ point forwards (if that's who he is now) who also go point per game in the playoffs are scarce.

 

[killer1980]

They'll say we are close which is the same bs. MLSE doen't have the guts to make any changes. Total disaster.

 

[colchar]

I think if you looked throughout all of sports history, not just hockey, you would be hard pressed to find a worse president/gm combination than Shanahan and Dubas.

You're clearly too young to remember the Ballard years.

You said:

"Who would you have gotten, and how? There was nobody available."

"Nobody was available" would suggest there were no goalies on the market.

If you meant to say "Nobody was available at reasonable prices" then maybe post that next time?

Like I said, dubas has been gm for 4 years. I'm sure there were many goalies traded in that time span who were reasonably priced.

I made the mistake of assuming you would understand what I meant.

 

[LastOne2100]

If we had a Nylander on every line we'd sweep every series so not sure why you want to get rid of the only one we have.

Consistent 70+ point forwards (if that's who he is now) who also go point per game in the playoffs are scarce.

Especially ones we're not paying $11M dollars to.

Unfortunately if you want to make roster changes, he's the only really moveable piece.

Don't see how it will make us better, but at least it would make us different, I guess.

 

[Stamkos4life]

You were the one who mentioned the trade deadline, that's why I was using it as a mark.

But again, you're being extremely disingenuous and argumentative if you are going to pretend you thought the poster meant "literally not a single goalie in the entire league or free agency". As I already pointed out, Dubas did acquire not just a single goalie, but 2, so clearly they were available, but every single ounce of context screamed "no goalies available to actually improve the team" not "I wonder if there were 5+ depth goaltenders that would have made this team worse if we played them instead of starting goalie"

Actually I never mentioned the deadline.

I said:

"For starters, I wouldn't run with Campbell and mrazek".

Then the poster quoted me and said:

"....There was no one available".

They started talking about the deadline, not I.

It seems like you are entirely confused here.

The poster said "no one was available". That has a different meaning than "there was no one available at a reasonable price who was an upgrade".

If I post something that isn't what I meant, I edit it or apologize and explain the confusion.

 

[keonsbitterness]

They'll say we are close which is the same bs. MLSE doen't have the guts to make any changes. Total disaster.

They changed a GM and a coach since the rebuild.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Because the Islanders were morons.

Can't disagree.

But have the Leafs management proven to us that they are not morons as well?

 

[Petey O]

They'll say we are close which is the same bs. MLSE doen't have the guts to make any changes. Total disaster.

What changes do you propose they make? They took the two time defending SC champions to 7 games and lost by a goal.

The Leafs are a well built team that has the ability to win a cup. Making a huge shake up move would be the wrong decision. Small improvements where you can make them? Absolutely.

MLSE standing firm and keeping trust in the core + FO would actually be a very smart move. This is the best Leafs team in a long time.

 

[NJG]

Actually I never mentioned the deadline.

I said:

"For starters, I wouldn't run with Campbell and mrazek".

Then the poster quoted me and said:

"....There was no one available".

They started talking about the deadline, not I.

It seems like you are entirely confused here.

The poster said "no one was available". That has a different meaning than "there was no one available at a reasonable price who was an upgrade".

If I post something that isn't what I meant, I edit it or apologize and explain the confusion.

Campbell wasn't the problem.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Where is a facepalm smilie when I need one?

Just because he played that way in one series does not mean he would have played that way in this one, nor does it mean the series would have played out the same way.

Did I say that getting maf would have guaranteed us the victory over Tampa?

It appears you either have reading comprehension issues or just enjoy making strawman arguments.

You're clearly too young to remember the Ballard years.




I made the mistake of assuming you would understand what I meant.

Maybe in the future type what you actually mean and don't get upset when someone takes your post word for word.

Have a good night.

 

[colchar]

they sat him, but that's their own stupid choice that's not on him

He was 2-3, not exactly a world beating record.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Campbell wasn't the problem.

The guy had a sub 0.900 sv%.

It is very hard to win a playoff series with that kind of goaltending.

I mean the dubas fan club roasted Freddie after he had a 0.935sv% vs Columbus. If Freddie was the problem with those numbers, Campbell was definitely an issue.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Can't disagree.

But have the Leafs management proven to us that they are not morons as well?

Six first round losses suck but six playoff appearances doesn't suck. Calling a management team moronic should be reserved for teams like Buffalo and Phoenix.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Six first round losses suck but six playoff appearances doesn't suck. Calling a management team moronic should be reserved for teams like Buffalo and Phoenix.

Well we're calling the islanders management moronic and they aren't buffalo or Phoenix so...

 

[colchar]

Did I say that getting maf would have guaranteed us the victory over Tampa?

You strongly insinuated it when you said "Maf had a better sv% than Campbell and all we needed was 1 less goal in game 6."

It appears you either have reading comprehension issues

I understood exactly what you meant, you are just trying to backtrack.

or just enjoy making strawman arguments.

Nobody made a straw man argument. A straw man involves an extreme distortion of what someone said and that did not take place here.

Maybe in the future type what you actually mean and don't get upset when someone takes your post word for word.

In future I won't make the mistake of giving you the benefit of the doubt and will, instead, give you the Dick & Jane Learn to Read version as that appears more your level.

 

[NJG]

The guy had a sub 0.900 sv%.

It is very hard to win a playoff series with that kind of goaltending.

I mean the dubas fan club roasted Freddie after he had a 0.935sv% vs Columbus. If Freddie was the problem with those numbers, Campbell was definitely an issue.

Freddie also let it very bad goals at important times. That was his problem he could never make the saves when it mattered. Vasy played worse... so how is that an excuse? When you're in a playoff series all you can ask is that your goalie outplays the other teams goalie... he did that. This is not his fault and anyone trying to make it his fault needs a reality check.

 

[rocketman588]

Nylander (For a player with consistent similar numbers, that can play an all around game)
Kerfoot
Engvall
Mikheyev
Kase

Rielly (Trade him for a defenseman that can actually play defense)
Holl (Trade him for a defenseman that can actually play defense)

They all need to go.

Riley might sneakily be our most unmovable deal pretty soon

Dude is about to make 7.5

 

[Stamkos4life]

You strongly insinuated it when you said "Maf had a better sv% than Campbell and all we needed was 1 less goal in game 6."




I understood exactly what you meant, you are just trying to backtrack.




Nobody made a straw man argument. A straw man involves an extreme distortion of what someone said and that did not take place here.




In future I won't make the mistake of giving you the benefit of the doubt and will, instead, give you the Dick & Jane Learn to Read version as that appears more your level.

You tried to say there were no goalies available.

I told you that maf was available and that he had a better sv% than Campbell did and that we only needed 1 save in ot during game 6.

Somehow you take that as me guaranteeing that maf would win us the series?

You extremely distorted my post. That is a strawman. I'm not sure if you are just upset about the loss and not functioning properly or if you have reading issues but this is not the first time you've done this in the last hour or two.

In the future type what you mean. Don't expect others to gather some other meaning from your posts. This shouldn't have to be explained but I guess some people need everything spelled out for them.

Freddie also let it very bad goals at important times. That was his problem he could never make the saves when it mattered. Vasy played worse... so how is that an excuse? When you're in a playoff series all you can ask is that your goalie outplays the other teams goalie... he did that. This is not his fault and anyone trying to make it his fault needs a reality check.

Wait, are you saying you take Campbell and his sub 0.900sv% over Freddie and his 0.935sv%?

Also, vasy had the exact same sv% but a better gaa. So no Campbell did not outplay vasi.

Anyone who thinks Campbell wasn't a problem doesn't understand hockey.

 

[makbeer]

Who would you have brought in, and how?

Impossible to say how, given I don’t have access to other GMs phones.

But taking it back - I would have never signed Mrazek, let alone at 3.8. I said it at the time, the guy shares too many qualities with Jack (inconsistent, reactive, injury prone). I don’t believe you should pair a gamble with a gamble.

In the off-season I would have looked at Holtby or Halak to stabilise the position with an affordable and solid veteran backup. Holtby would be preferred as he’s a proven starter if need be and also has a stellar playoff career.

At the deadline my only target would have been Semyon Varlamov. Jack Campbell had a very high “really bad start” percentage this season, which to me is a worry for a playoff series. A guy like Varlamov has a very Low really bad start percentage for his career and also has a strong history in the playoffs even vs high volume shots and chances.

The more realistic truth is they may be continually fishing out of the castoff goalie bin for the rest of Matthews and Marners prime, and need to place more priority in drafting and developing goaltenders. They made a bunch of mistakes in this regard and it has cost them. You don’t want to be putting your hopes on the line with other team’s castoffs in your net.

Kallgren, Woll and Scott are all fine but I’m not sure any of them turns out to be more than a 1B or backup in the nhl.

My big dark horse is Keith Petruzzelli - I think he has an outside shot to develop into something really special.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Well we're calling the islanders management moronic and they aren't buffalo or Phoenix so...

Not overall, but they were morons in this specific situation for thinking Tavares was Islander-for-life/#1 pick/typical dumb hockey player.

Lou was a moron for signing Marleau for three years. Dubas was a moron for signing Joe Thornton, albeit for much less term and money. The third year didn't fit the raises our RFAs were about to get, and Thornton didn't fit our playing style at all.

 

[NJG]

You tried to say there were no goalies available.

I told you that maf was available and that he had a better sv% than Campbell did and that we only needed 1 save in ot during game 6.

Somehow you take that as me guaranteeing that maf would win us the series?

You extremely distorted my post. That is a strawman. I'm not sure if you are just upset about the loss and not functioning properly or if you have reading issues but this is not the first time you've done this in the last hour or two.

In the future type what you mean. Don't expect others to gather some other meaning from your posts. This shouldn't have to be explained but I guess some people need everything spelled out for them.



Wait, are you saying you take Campbell and his sub 0.900sv% over Freddie and his 0.935sv%?

I might be misunderstanding you but I hope not.

Also, vasy and the exact same sv% but a better gaa. So no Campbell did not outplay vasi.

Anyone who thinks Campbell wasn't a problem doesn't understand hockey.

Campbell wasn't the problem. Anyone who doesn't understand that doesn't understand hockey... So Campbell was the problem when Kerfoot back passed to no one and gave Tampa a break away? Campbell was the problem when Kerfoot took a penalty to put them on a 5v3? If Kerfoot doesn't do that we aren't even in a game 7. Vasy also didn't have to face as many powerplays as Campbell.

Campbell was the problem when Tampa has like 8 powerplays a game? lol

 

[Stamkos4life]

Not overall, but they were morons in this specific situation for thinking Tavares was Islander-for-life/#1 pick/typical dumb hockey player.

Lou was a moron for signing Marleau for three years. Dubas was a moron for signing Joe Thornton, albeit for much less term and money. The third year didn't fit the raises our RFAs were about to get, and Thornton didn't fit our playing style at all.

Fair enough!