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TheRumble said:
The Five Goalies traded at the deadline:

Scott Wedgewood, Marc Andre Fleury, Andrew Hammond, Carter Hutton and Darcy Kuemper. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you know that three of those goalies are not an upgrade over Campbell.

MAF - Debatable but it was leaked that the ask for him was pretty high - Knies and a 1st.

Darcy Keumper - Colorado gave up a 1st and Connor Timmins for him (I have no idea how good Timmins is).
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It really doesn't matter how good Timmins will be. You already have Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Reilly and JT
You have to give up value

Any other position you can take chances on but not goaltending

We haven't drafted them, we haven't traded for them.

Go check out Rangers drafts. They have picked a goalie in last 10 years in every draft except for 2

They also have the best goalie in the league
 
Stamkos4life said:
I've been telling people since 2019 that dubas isn't a very good gm.

The fact it is now 2022, we have 4 consecutive first round loses and you are telling me that you don't want dubas fired no matter how many more times we fail to win a round is mind boggling.

Are you saying that no player has ever been traded while on a nmc? I call bull.

Im not sure if you are aware but good players can be traded for other good players. This does happen in the NHL.

The defintion of insane is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Well, you certainly fit the exact defintion.

But it's clear you are just a dubas fan boy and not an actual leaf fan so I'm done wasting my time on you. A real fan wants his team to win. Not continue losing.
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I would be fine with moving Tavares. Ideally yes. But he has a NMC and very very likely would not wave it.

Again, if ownership wants to make substantial change to the roster and management sure it makes sense to move on from Dubas.

Firing Dubas because fans want someone's head to roll would be incredibly stupid.

Also, I'm interested in this Marner/Matthews trade that improves the Leafs. Very interested.
 
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colchar said:
I didn't think I needed to spell it out, but nobody was available at reasonable prices. And just because someone was traded doesn't mean the Leafs could have had them.
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You said:

"Who would you have gotten, and how? There was nobody available."

"Nobody was available" would suggest there were no goalies on the market.

If you meant to say "Nobody was available at reasonable prices" then maybe post that next time?

Like I said, dubas has been gm for 4 years. I'm sure there were many goalies traded in that time span who were reasonably priced.
 
Stamkos4life said:
The poster said:

"Who would you have gotten, and how? There was nobody available"

"Nobody available" would suggest that there were no goalies on the market. That was false.

If the poster meant "no goalies that would be a clear upgrade available", they should have said that.

Maf still posted a better sv% than Campbell and all we needed was 1 less goal against in game 6.

Also, who says dubas could've only made a trade at the deadline? He has been gm for 4 years now. There have been dozens of goalies traded in that time span.
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You were the one who mentioned the trade deadline, that's why I was using it as a mark.

But again, you're being extremely disingenuous and argumentative if you are going to pretend you thought the poster meant "literally not a single goalie in the entire league or free agency". As I already pointed out, Dubas did acquire not just a single goalie, but 2, so clearly they were available, but every single ounce of context screamed "no goalies available to actually improve the team" not "I wonder if there were 5+ depth goaltenders that would have made this team worse if we played them instead of starting goalie"
 
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So he can't be Columbus in 5 games at home
He can't be Montreal in 7 games at home while having a 3-1 lead
he can't beat Tampa 7 games at home while have 2 games lead

Is there another Leafs team we can face? At this rate we are going to have to wait until Ottawa makes the playoffs
 
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Holl and Kerfoot could be moved simply because of how Game 6 and 7 went for them, just two mid roster guys involved in some high profile errors and miscues that hurt the team. Fairly painless sacrifices, though I actually kind of like Kerfoot.

Muzzin and Brodie could both go as far as I'm concerned. Muzzin has health and decline issues and I'd love to get out from under that contract so I would be a motivated seller there. Brodie is a smart defenseman but if we retool the blueline a bit I want someone who is less vanilla at his contract. Offers no offense and is on the softer puck defense side of things. I just want to see a more impactful defenseman there and we have Liljegren and Sandin one year older.
 
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TheRumble said:
Mike Green left in free agency, the Caps were willing to run it back with him even after their team underperformed and missed the playoffs with him the year before.

Ditto with Semin. The Caps were willing to run it back with him, he just chose to chase the money when his deal expired.

And they still needed a coaching change + five years.
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Your post has literally no point.

The caps didn't win the cup until they lost "core" members.

Having a "core" player leave to free agency is worse than via trade because you get nothing back and yet it still worked out for Washington.

Firing dubas is not blowing it up.

Getting rid of a "core" player is also not blowing it up.
 
Nylander (For a player with consistent similar numbers, that can play an all around game)
Kerfoot
Engvall
Mikheyev
Kase

Rielly (Trade him for a defenseman that can actually play defense)
Holl (Trade him for a defenseman that can actually play defense)

They all need to go.
 
colchar said:
Fair enough.




And what, exactly, did he accomplish?






Which of them would have been an upgrade and what price would they have had to pay?




He tried, but as so often happens with him he failed.
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Maf had a better sv% than Campbell and all we needed was 1 less goal in game 6.

Obviously we have no way of knowing if maf would've caused us to beat Tampa but I do know for 100% fact that Campbell was not the answer.
 
fahad203 said:
So he can't be Columbus in 5 games at home
He can't be Montreal in 7 games at home while having a 3-1 lead
he can't beat Tampa 7 games at home while have 2 games lead

Is there another Leafs team we can face? At this rate we are going to have to wait until Ottawa makes the playoffs
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Only 3 games in the Columbus series had on-ice home advantage, and no games had off-ice advantage since everyone was living out of a hotel because of the bubble and there were no fans

And the team was never up 2 games against Tampa



Still... We should have had both the Columbus and Montreal series. This one we put it all on the line and Tampa was a good team. But all three were winnable and the first two were ours on paper...
 
keonsbitterness said:
They'll start informal talks with the Matthews camp next Spring. He'll be traded before July 1 if he tells the Leafs he's not interested.
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Jt played the islanders along until it was to late.

Obviously it would be preferable to either resign matthews or trade him before July but it doesn't always work that way.
 
uncleben said:
Only 3 games in the Columbus series had on-ice home advantage, and no games had off-ice advantage since everyone was living out of a hotel because of the bubble and there were no fans

And the team was never up 2 games against Tampa



Still... We should have had both the Columbus and Montreal series. This one we put it all on the line and Tampa was a good team. But all three were winnable and the first two were ours on paper...
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Bro, you played 5 games in your own barn. Whether you are the home team or not
You played in your own arena. Where you practice and play everyday
 
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You already know what's going to happen.
Everyone in management is going to stay, as will the coach. The core will also stay. The Leafs will pay assets to get rid of Mrazek and will also move on from Kerfoot/Holl. They'll use the money to re-sign Campbell and then they will then go bargain bin shopping in UFA to fill out the edges. Rinse and repeat.
 
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colchar said:
You said you "would get rid of JT", you said nothing about seeing if it was possible.
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I said:

"..so I would either get rid of jt or see what the best deal was for either matthews or marner."

I can see where the confusion lies so I apologize for not being more clear. But what I meant by "either" was if I can't get rid of jt, I would see what the best deal was for matthews or marner.

Jt is my first choice to trade but it may not be possible.
 
I think if you looked throughout all of sports history, not just hockey, you would be hard pressed to find a worse president/gm combination than Shanahan and Dubas.
 
I think most Leafs fans knew what the glaring issues were: an underperforming 2nd line, and a powerplay that was so cold going into the playoffs.

Now the blame:

2nd Line woes
- Nylander, whose playing better at season, gets reunited with Tavares. Leafs depth is now diminished. Why did Keefe juggle the lines constantly in regular season, yet go with what was most ineffective in the playoffs.
- Our third line / checking line did nothing for us - a terrible decision by Keefe.
- Dubas acquires Blackwell, the quote is: he's not just a throw in. Is this a fix for the 2nd line? Never given a shot. Another disconnect between Dubas and Keefe? (I also say this as someone that doesn't like Blackwell - he's not a solution and feel like much better players were available at the trade deadline).

A cold powerplay
- Morgan Rielly just isn't the PP QB.
- somehow Matthews never gets an open look on the powerplay. I wonder how many shots he has the entire year on the powerplay. "Best wrist shot in the NHL". Ummm how about we let this guy shoot?

And the real reason the Leafs lost - there's just not enough compete out there. In the last ten minutes of a game 7, you tell all the forwards to come back to help the D to breakout. A winning strategy is not for the Leafs D to throw it up the ice. The whole team needs to attack as 5 and defend as 5, that's how you win. I don't think we sustained much pressure in a do-or-die game, where Point gets injured.

No excuses, it was a failure of a season.
 
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uncleben said:
Again, no good goalies were available.
Fleury is arguable at best, and his acquisition would've meant no Giordano

The other goalies to move were Melnichuk, Clang, McNiven, Hammond, Kähkönen, and Wedgewood, and if you want to reach back as far as the month lead up to the deadline, Stalock and Hutton (Hutton of course being one we actually did acquire). The only FA goaltending signings were Desrosiers, Gauthier, and Sateri (again, one we we did try on).

So, the only goalies on the move were replacement level AHL goalies (that we did acquire anyway), midtier prospects (who aren't NHL ready), and one 37 year old vet who didn't put up numbers or results better than what we had, and already had a team outbidding us a price that already didn't make sense.


I understanding wanting the best goaltending possible, but a trade for it was just not in the cards. It doesn't matter if it was 5+ or 31+ available if that was the quality available
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Just because a goalie wasn't traded at the deadline does not mean that goalie was not available.

Also, the fact we don't have cap space to add an expensive goalie is the fault of the person in charge of managing the cap.

I mean, who thinks having almost 50% of your cap in 4 forwards is a good idea? Not a single team has had any success with even one forward making 10+ mil and dubas gets 3 of them.

Also, dubas has been gm for 4 years now. That's over 1,400 days he's had to land a goalie.
 
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