How many jobs are on the line?

[Shooter2x]

also forget to mention Albus Doobledore's faith in mik engvall aided in blocking out / feeling like you can trade depth players like moore and marchment.

Swap these 2 for those 2 softies and the difference is drastic.

Wasting the big superstar core with bunch of losers surrounding them.

stop depressing us hoglund. You don't think we know the gold mine we would be sitting on right now for playoff hockey if we stuck with kadri marchment and moore? Everyone fits into the cap too + Tavares with some tinkering

 

[WillTheThrill]

Maybe you look at swapping Keefe for Trotz but other than that I don’t think they make any drastic moves. Which is probably the smart thing.

 

[GQS]

Are you suggesting if we dont have the answers to dubas' problems when we don't get paid 500k a year, don't have the millions of dollars in scouts and resources, can't call other teams to get feels, ect, that means dubas isn't at fault?

People who say Dubas could've done different well we'd like to know what these people would've done differently that would've guaranteed a game 7 win against the Lightning? Hypothetically if you traded Tavares, is whatever players we can sign with his capspace going to make us significantly better to the point of being near guaranteed of getting out of the 1st round? Probably not.

There's few sports in the world that are so luck based as hockey is where you can have a great team top to bottom and still lose in the first round of the playoffs because the other team had a hot goalie stopping everything.

Unlike previous years, the Leafs actually played really good if not great against Tampa most games. They were literally a few bad puck luck chances away in game 6 from changing the narrative and getting to the 2nd round. I don't know what player changes would've changed that luck so that the Leafs scored in game 6 OT. In game 7 the game was close and again Leafs were a few unfortunate bounces away from tying the game.

The Leafs played well enough to win 5 of the 7 games against Tampa. The Bolts were just abit luckier in game 6 and 7 than the Leafs. It sad that they lost, but its not like last year where they were a vastly worse team in game 7. This year they played their best and came up slightly short. It sucks but the Bolts had abit more luck in game 6 and 7 than we did. That's pretty much it.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

stop depressing us hoglund. You don't think we know the gold mine we would be sitting on right now for playoff hockey if we stuck with kadri marchment and moore? Everyone fits into the cap too + Tavares with some tinkering

Dubas can make amends if he drops the nepotism and rids us Keefe

 

[colchar]

Are you suggesting if we dont have the answers to dubas' problems when we don't get paid 500k a year, don't have the millions of dollars in scouts and resources, can't call other teams to get feels, ect, that means dubas isn't at fault?

At no point did I say he wasn't at fault. But no goalies were available so why cry about something about which nothing could be done?

Jackets: Keefe lost to an inferior team
Habs: Keefe blows a 3-1 lead to team where inferior is an understatement.
Bolts: Kucherov Stamkos Point Vasi all sucked and you do nothing but help them stay in it (with the help of dubas going with campbell, okay fine).


If he doesn't get fired, its bigger corruption than some of the reffing.

You clearly don't understand what 'corruption' means.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Who would you have gotten, and how? There was nobody available.

Let me get this straight.

If I dont have the exact details to solve dubas' problems even though I have a full time job, don't make 500k a year, don't have the access to millions of dollars in resources and can't contact other teams, it means dubas' faults are excusable?

Also, 5+ goalies were traded at the 2022 trade deadline so saying "nobody was available" seems like quite the stretch.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

At no point did I say he wasn't at fault. But no goalies were available so why cry about something about which nothing could be done?




You clearly don't understand what 'corruption' means.

I'd rather use a wrong word than sit here at 12 am on a game 7 loss looking for bad grammar to point out

 

[TheRumble]

People who say Dubas could've done different well we'd like to know what these people would've done differently that would've guaranteed a game 7 win against the Lightning? Hypothetically if you traded Tavares, is whatever players we can sign with his capspace going to make us significantly better to the point of being near guaranteed of getting out of the 1st round? Probably not.

There's few sports in the world that are so luck based as hockey is where you can have a great team top to bottom and still lose in the first round of the playoffs because the other team had a hot goalie stopping everything.

Unlike previous years, the Leafs actually played really good if not great against Tampa most games. They were literally a few bad puck luck chances away in game 6 from changing the narrative and getting to the 2nd round. I don't know what player changes would've changed that luck so that the Leafs scored in game 6 OT. In game 7 the game was close and again Leafs were a few unfortunate bounces away from tying the game.

The Leafs played well enough to win 5 of the 7 games against Tampa. The Bolts were just abit luckier in game 6 and 7 than the Leafs. It sad that they lost, but its not like last year where they were a vastly worse team in game 7. This year they played their best and came up slightly short. It sucks but the Bolts had abit more luck in game 6 and 7 than we did. That's pretty much it.

Yes, but I would say if there's one thing you can criticize the Leafs as a team for this year and would be fair was their lack of urgency in Games 2 and 5. Coming off big wins, they laid a dud vs a motivated Tampa team.

But basically Game 6 came down to a successful embellishment.

Game 7 came down to a weird Nick Paul rush.

 

[Trapper]

Lack of progress requires change.
Something needs to change.
That change needs to be tangible, it needs to be seen and felt.
That change is not Simmonds for new Simmonds.
The coach is top of this list. Then you see what is available to perhaps change a core member for a different core member. If available. If not, it’s still time for a new coach.

 

[colchar]

Dubas built a good team that has a monkey on their back.

You want to trade it for a series of lottery tickets.

That's the thing the blow it up contingent don't seem to grasp here.

If you're a team like the 13-14 Sabres or the 14-15 Leafs you blow it up. You blow up a team for lottery tickets when they're bad because the worst that can happen is they stay bad - like the Sabres did. It's very unlikely that a team like Toronto blowing it up would end up in a better spot after the dust settles.

The lottery ticket comment is monumentally stupid.

You fire the coach, let some pieces go, and trade others. That has f*** all to do with lottery tickets.

 

[TheRumble]

The lottery ticket comment is monumentally stupid.

You fire the coach, let some pieces go, and trade others. That has f*** all to do with lottery tickets.

Can I just get what your level of education is so I don't have to waste my time explaining this to you again?

Trading a member of the core=blowing it up.

If you didn't advocate for this, I'm not referring to you.

 

[saffronleaf]

no jobs on the line.

there is no accountability in this organization.

they'll just keep doing this groundhog day bullshit.

there's always going to be some fans willing to pay for this failure of an organization.

 

[Stamkos4life]

So you would trade Marner or Matthews? Seems like a good idea.

No, I will not agree that Dubas needs to go for the sake of angry fans.

If Dubas was to be fired, the team would need to go in a very different direction. There is no point in firing Dubas if you are not altering the team.

Which of Marner or Matthews are you suggesting should be traded?

Are you admitting that no matter how many first round loses, you do not want dubas fired? I know his fan club can be irrational but this takes the cake.

I would definitely not have 3 10+ mil forwards so I would either get rid of jt or see what the best deal was for either matthews or marner.

But since I have a full time job, don't have access to millions of dollars in resources and can't call other teams, I'm afraid I can't give you specifics.

No one’s job is on the line, there will be no changes at all.

How many first round loses do we need with dubas as gm before you accept that he needs to go?

 

[colchar]

I'd rather use a wrong word than sit here at 12 am on a game 7 loss looking for bad grammar to point out

One doesn't have to look for glaring mistakes.

 

[uncleben]

Let me get this straight.

If I dont have the exact details to solve dubas' problems even though I have a full time job, don't make 500k a year, don't have the access to millions of dollars in resources and can't contact other teams, it means dubas' faults are excusable?

Also, 5+ goalies were traded at the 2022 trade deadline so saying "nobody was available" seems like quite the stretch.

Yes, because replacing Campbell with Clang, McNiven, Kahkonen, or Wedgewood really would have fixed this team.
Even Fleury, I can understand the temptation, but he's not his old self and was eliminated in even fewer games than Campbell.

Hard to believe you genuinely thought the poster meant "literally no goalies available" instead of "no goalies that would be a clear upgrade available"

 

[Zanks]

As a big Raptor fan you can tell when your management knows how to create winning teams. They collect players that compliment stars, and have a vision that works better in the playoffs

Masai can build playoff teams, Dubas can't.

Shit, Masai almost toppled the NBA equivalent of the Leafs (the Embiid 76ers) with one rebuilding year (after his franchise player left).

I'd be trading some of the big boys, re-load.

Bring in a GM that can identify 2-way talent. That's what wins.

 

[colchar]

Can I just get what your level of education is

I guarantee it is higher than yours.

Trading a member of the core=blowing it up.

Trading all or most of the core is blowing it up. Trading one piece is not blowing it up.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Tampa has played about 40 more games than we have over the last two years. They've played literally 2 and a half seasons compared to us playing two. Vasi was extremely beatable. The fact that this roster, assembled by dubas, couldn't beat them is atrocious.

Oh and you know the Dubas apologists would be building a statue to the guy had they won tonight and lost in the next round. They're fine with post-season humiliation as long as he gets to keep GMing the way they like.

Over 18 years, our fans have become champs at accepting playoff embarrassments.

Well said.

Can you imagine the garbage the dubas fan club would be spewing if the Leafs had won?

I mean, they are literally giving the guy credit after his 4th first round loss in a row.

 

[Trapper]

no jobs on the line.

there is no accountability in this organization.

they'll just keep doing this groundhog day bullshit.

there's always going to be some fans willing to pay for this failure of an organization.

I guess if you can bet your job on it for a 3rd time in a row, there is no accountability. Might as well just laugh at everyone at the press conference.

 

[I am Canadian]

Are you admitting that no matter how many first round loses, you do not want dubas fired? I know his fan club can be irrational but this takes the cake.

I would definitely not have 3 10+ mil forwards so I would either get rid of jt or see what the best deal was for either matthews or marner.

But since I have a full time job, don't have access to millions of dollars in resources and can't call other teams, I'm afraid I can't give you specifics.

If ownership wants a new gm without actually changing the makeup of the team, then no I don't want a new GM.

Tavares has a NMC.

Okay, so solution is to trade either the MVP or the best Leaf in the series.. I see.

I enjoy the cop out though. It's fine to say you are frustrated and want to see someone fired. Let's not pretend there's any rationale behind it.

 

[colchar]

Let me get this straight.

If I dont have the exact details to solve dubas' problems even though I have a full time job, don't make 500k a year, don't have the access to millions of dollars in resources and can't contact other teams, it means dubas' faults are excusable?

Also, 5+ goalies were traded at the 2022 trade deadline so saying "nobody was available" seems like quite the stretch.

I didn't think I needed to spell it out, but nobody was available at reasonable prices. And just because someone was traded doesn't mean the Leafs could have had them.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Jackets: Keefe lost to an inferior team
Habs: Keefe blows a 3-1 lead to team where inferior is an understatement.
Bolts: Kucherov Stamkos Point Vasi all sucked and you do nothing but help them stay in it (with the help of dubas going with campbell, okay fine).


If he doesn't get fired, its bigger corruption than some of the reffing.

The crazy thing is that dubad hired Keefe as head coach without interviewing a single other candidate.

Shanny, dubas and Keefe all need to go.

Everyone knows a business is only as good as its leadership. If your leadership keeps failing, they need to go.

 

[killer1980]

They should fire them all. GL for those who want to believe that this team is different.

 

[colchar]

I would either get rid of jt

You clearly don't understand what a no movement clause is.

or see what the best deal was for either matthews or marner.

Trading Matthews would be monumentally stupid. And while I can see a case for trading Marner, Matthews wouldn't be happy about that so best to keep him happy.

Trade Nylander instead.

 

[Woodman19]

As a big Raptor fan you can tell when your management knows how to create winning teams. They collect players that compliment stars, and have a vision that works better in the playoffs

Masai can build playoff teams, Dubas can't.

Shit, Masai almost toppled the NBA equivalent of the Leafs (the Embiid 76ers) with one rebuilding year (after his franchise player left).

I'd be trading some of the big boys, re-load.

Bring in a GM that can identify 2-way talent. That's what wins.

Complete players playing with complete effort usually gives complete results.