How many jobs are on the line?

[Strangle]

Everyone has to be re-evaluated.

Every player, Keefe and dubas

 

[34]

No one’s job is on the line, there will be no changes at all.

 

[ToneDog]

All teams are forced to hit the cap minimum. Paying Matthews 10-12 per isn't an issue.

May as well give him the max is you are not going to spend to the cap max. No chance in hell they can win.

 

[OVO16]

Fire Dubas to the fing moon man
What does he have to do get fired around here?

He got the coach he wanted, the goalie he wanted, the D core he wanted. Only 1 D is from Nonis/Burke era Reilly(Lilly from Babcock). Rest are his
Entire bottom 6 not named Engvall are his acquisitions



I don't think you got my sarcasm

Dubas is gonna flop again when it comes to building the bottom 6.

Its laughably sad

 

[ToneDog]

the only one who should lose his job is Gary bettman for the incompetent referees that he keeps defending

His refs got him what he wanted. The battle for Florida.

 

[Stinger8]

You don't realize how stupid marner on PK is until you get deep in a series.

If marner not on pk he dominate this whole game, I guarantee you. It's not shameful to say he got gassed near the end. Look at Kucherov he looked like a 50 year old man who smokes 20 cigs a day huffing and puffing by game 7 against Leafs and he has to do less than Marner.

Actually this game doesn't even exist because Marner and Nylander would have locked up game 6 together.

I don't understand why he's PK1. Not even compromise with PK2.

Every year same stuff. Marner wasted on PK. Weak depth players who play scared. Keefe making dumb decisions that cost us games. Rinse and repeat.

Marner plays on the perimeter all the time. Hogface let me help you, the playoffs are another beast they are blood and guts and played around a 10 ft perimeter on the ice. Mitchy is getting a hot dog waaay away from the action". Nice figure skater but at the end of the day kinda soft and cowardly when it comes to playoff hockey

 

[uncleben]

Tampa has 2 cups. Leafs have first round exits.

P.S. Tampa beat Leafs without Point; sick Kucherov and half ass Vasi.

Dubas is a fraud and should be fired. If it was up to me he would never have been hired in the first place

Glad it's not up to you, then, tbh

Amateur and pro scouting have been top notch under him. Whether he sticks around or not, any success by this core moving forward comes off the back of his work

This team is good. We might need changes, and Dubas may be a part of that, but the team he's put together is good.

 

[Leafsfan74]

One final comment before I am off for the year since I thought such post might appear.

I was never was sold that Engvall and Mik were playoff calibre players. Was hoping I was wrong but I would move on from them, I would have done so at the deadline even though they fooled me down the stretch.

The league took Clifford.and Simmonds out of the lineup and with them a hard forecheck and energy for the team. Keefe took the bait and the reffing early in the series suddenly became more "playoff like" when TBs season was at risk.. TB interferred every second shift tonight. Part of NHLs gimmick.

Other than that, with the cap the way it is, unless a real big name goes, Leafs will be in perpetual "small ball mode", trying to piece together new lineups every year. Their defense is sound, but lacking a threat from the point. Gio could be a first PP solution if he comes cheap.

Circle your 2025/26 season. That is when the current TV deal in Canada expires. Leafs will suddenly receive calls in their favour as they need SN and I imagine TSN to overpay then after SN were fleeced in to supporting the rest of the league. Until then, the Talking Heads in sports media will remain apologists for the league.

Out.

 

[Coffee]

MAJOR SHAKE UP

Willy for EP + 15th overall

 

[eddieO]

Tampa has played about 40 more games than we have over the last two years. They've played literally 2 and a half seasons compared to us playing two. Vasi was extremely beatable. The fact that this roster, assembled by dubas, couldn't beat them is atrocious.

Oh and you know the Dubas apologists would be building a statue to the guy had they won tonight and lost in the next round. They're fine with post-season humiliation as long as he gets to keep GMing the way they like.

Over 18 years, our fans have become champs at accepting playoff embarrassments.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Who would you have brought in, and how?

Are you suggesting if we dont have the answers to dubas' problems when we don't get paid 500k a year, don't have the millions of dollars in scouts and resources, can't call other teams to get feels, ect, that means dubas isn't at fault?

 

[PromisedLand]

Glad it's not up to you, then, tbh

Amateur and pro scouting have been top notch under him. Whether he sticks around or not, any success by this core moving forward comes off the back of his work

This team is good. We might need changes, and Dubas may be a part of that, but the team he's put together is good.

How are you defining the team is "good"? is it based on regular season? or is it based on the fact that the core does not show up in deciding games.

I do not agree with your analogy that the amateur and pro scouting have been top notch under him. There is no evidence to support that claim. Absolutely nothing!

 

[2 Slick]

This team is good. We might need changes, and Dubas may be a part of that, but the team he's put together is good.

This team has the talent to be great, them being just, "good" is why they always have the same result in game 7 of the playoffs. Good isn't great and it's not good enough with the roster they had this season. Not good enough at all.

Changes won't happen though, every one's job is most likely safe. It's the status quo because they had such a good regular season. Means nothing to me when they lose game 7 of the first round after being up 3 games to 2 in a series again.

Good isn't good enough when you have this much talent. You need GREATNESS from them.

 

[fahad203]

Tampa has played about 40 more games than we have over the last two years. They've played literally 2 and a half seasons compared to us playing two. Vasi was extremely beatable. The fact that this roster, assembled by dubas, couldn't beat them is atrocious.

Oh and you know the Dubas apologists would be building a statue to the guy had they won tonight and lost in the next round. They're fine with post-season humiliation as long as he gets to keep GMing the way they like.

Over 18 years, our fans have become champs at accepting playoff embarrassments.

They love comparing to Lou because Isles didn't make the playoffs this year
Without even making the playoffs, Lou and Isles have played 41 playoff games last 3 years

Leafs = 19

 

[Leaf Fans]

Everyone has to be re-evaluated.

Every player, Keefe and dubas

Sure, they do that every year at the end of the season.

They love comparing to Lou because Isles didn't make the playoffs this year
Without even making the playoffs, Lou and Isles have played 41 playoff games last 3 years

Leafs = 19

Yup, that is true. Neither have reached the ultimate goal.

 

[Stinger8]

Dubas greatest mistake has been Keefe
His second mistake has been Campbell

Dude keeps throwing darts hoping someone would stick. He got lucky with Bunting because Arizona all in their glory didn't want him
Even he sucked in the playoffs

Kase. Sucked in the playoffs
Kampf. Was ok
Mikaheyev. Sucked in the playoffs
Simmonds. Sucked
Clifford. Was ok
Holl. Ok, then sucked, then ok then sucked
Campbell..... Bro has so many ups and downs, i don't even know anymore. One game he's a champ, next game he utter trash
Muzzin. Mostly ok
Brodie. Kinda a sucked
Blackwell. Ok. No physicality though
Kerfoot. Garbage
Gio. Ok
Mrazek. Yes he's still part of this team

But greatest GM. Apparently he drafts well. We still haven't seen any of those draft picks of his btw. Other than Abbrruzzee who sucked
Sandin has been ok.
Robertsson, he hasn't done jack in NHL yet. He can still be a very good player

Muzzin on the tieing goal in game six, 2 man advantage moves away from the Kutcherov shot while EVERY TB player puts their faces in front of shots. Muzzin is DONE he is scared too bad used to be pretty good. Move his ass out William Nylander and Jake Muzzin for Jeff Chychrun and Lawson Crouse

 

[fahad203]

You can't fire Keefe
Fastest coach to win 100 games
Best franchise record ever

Keefe must stay. Must build a statue

 

[Stamkos4life]

Dubas is not the problem. He built the perfect team that failed to execute. Let him runit back one more time. Then. Then if they are out in the first round again next year you blow it up.

Did you also say this after last years loss?

I've been hearing "1 more year" since 2020 and it's getting rather tiring.

Also, the "perfect team" would win the cup, not lose in the first round.

It's amazing how so many posters are literally giving dubas credit after his 4th first round loss in a row. Can you imagine how much praise dubas would be getting if the Leafs had won?

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Jackets: Keefe lost to an inferior team
Habs: Keefe blows a 3-1 lead to team where inferior is an understatement.
Bolts: Kucherov Stamkos Point Vasi all sucked and you do nothing but help them stay in it (with the help of dubas going with campbell, okay fine).


If he doesn't get fired, its bigger corruption than some of the reffing.

 

[berklon]

MAJOR SHAKE UP

Willy for EP + 15th overall

As if that's going to make a difference.

Look at all the players they've traded for or signed in FA... all the coaches, GMs and Presidents with winning experience they've hired over the decades... and absolutely nothing has changed.

 

[ruaware41]

MAJOR SHAKE UP

Willy for EP + 15th overall

yea good luck with that bud

 

[fahad203]

Jackets: Keefe lost to an inferior team
Habs: Keefe blows a 3-1 lead to team where inferior is an understatement.
Bolts: Kucherov Stamkos Point Vasi all sucked and you do nothing but help them stay in it (with the help of dubas going with campbell, okay fine).


If he doesn't get fired, its bigger corruption than some of the reffing.

I guess Zamboni driver loss never happened
Losing to Pittsburg when they had top 5 players out due to covid 7-2
Losing to Ottawa with 5 goal lead
Losing to Sabres with 4 goals lead
Almost letting Detroit comeback with like 6 goals lead

#fastest coach to 100 wins

 

[Stamkos4life]

I really don't know what to say.


People claimed we lacked leadership, Dubas added leadership.
We lacked D, he added D.
We lacked responsible forwards, he added responsible forwards.
We lacked depth, he added depth.
We lacked players with drive, he added players with drive.


This team was impressive. Genuinely one of the best rosters we've had.
People want to say Dubas is the worst GM in the League. Keefe is the worst coach. Tavares, Holl, Campbell, whoever, the worst players. Everyone needs to be fired into the Sun, yesterday.
But... this team could be so much worse. None of those are the worst anything. We have a damn good team.


We've gone up against some of the best goaltending performances every single series, and are constantly playing against the refs. We get no good bounces, and every single bad bounce seems to burn us horribly. No breaks.


I have no words.
We were the better team the majority of this series.
I don't know what else to say about it, I don't know what to do about it.

I can see big changes happening, and I can see some of those changes screwing us over or us regretting them. Knee jerk reactions, that feel like they have to be made, but will strip this team of talent.
I can see it happen.
I can understand it happening.

But I don't see this as Dubas' fault, and I still think this roster should be able to win.

Dubas is in charge of who plays and who coaches.

If the Leafs had won the series, you would be giving dubas credit, correct?

So how is it not his fault after 4 consecutive first round loses?

If you're going to fire everybody, you better have a damned good idea who should come in to replace them, and that person had better actually be an improvement. But you guys are just like my old man, wanting people fired and players traded, but when asked for actual details, always responds with "That's not MY job!"

So you just want knee-jerk firings for the sake of knee-jerk firings? Not a great way to run an organization.

If I was paid 500k a year, had millions of dollars in resources and scouts while being able to call other teams gms and get feelers, I would have a massive list of changes.

The fact posters like me who have zero access to the resources kyle does while having a full time job in no way excuses dubas' failures.

I'd take most gms over dubas. Most who inherit a 105 point team with rfa Nylander, matthews and marner would have 1 series win after 4 years lmao

 

[TheRumble]

Did you also say this after last years loss?

I've been hearing "1 more year" since 2020 and it's getting rather tiring.

Also, the "perfect team" would win the cup, not lose in the first round.

It's amazing how so many posters are literally giving dubas credit after his 4th first round loss in a row. Can you imagine how much praise dubas would be getting if the Leafs had won?

Dubas built a good team that has a monkey on their back.

You want to trade it for a series of lottery tickets.

That's the thing the blow it up contingent don't seem to grasp here.

If you're a team like the 13-14 Sabres or the 14-15 Leafs you blow it up. You blow up a team for lottery tickets when they're bad because the worst that can happen is they stay bad - like the Sabres did. It's very unlikely that a team like Toronto blowing it up would end up in a better spot after the dust settles.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

also forget to mention Albus Doobledore's faith in mik engvall aided in blocking out / feeling like you can trade depth players like moore and marchment.

Swap these 2 for those 2 softies and the difference is drastic.

Wasting the big superstar core with bunch of losers surrounding them.