How many jobs are on the line?

[Kazparov]

I think Keefe will be fired if they lose because ownership will want change and Shanny and Dubas will look to save themselves. Hire Trotz and see if he can help get the team over the hump

I'd be good with Trotz

Honestly though I doubt we see any real changes

 

[TheRumble]

I don't think there's a single person who wants to blow it up. But cap allocation has to be considered, and one of the core guys moved in my mind.

Anyone who is advocating for trading one of the core 4 is advocating for a blow up regardless of what they wanna call it.

Nobody "retools" by trading one of the guys considered part of the core.

If you trade Marner and keep everyone else, you now have to replace ~100 points worth of production, your best PKer and one of the best two way wingers in the league. That's not gonna be done by getting a merely good defenceman, a good forward and a 1st rounder (unless that first rounder ends up being Bedard).

Trading Nylander? Your top 6 is now Matthews, Marner, Bunting, aging Tavares and Mikeyhev (Nylander's cap clearing would allow us to keep him) and Kerftoot?

Trade Matthews? This is out of the question.

Trading Tavares? His contract makes this an unwinnable trade.

Really the only member of the core you can trade and not consider it a blowup is Rielly.

Trading any combination two guys means blowing it up.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Anyone who is advocating for trading one of the core 4 is advocating for a blow up regardless of what they wanna call it.

Nobody "retools" by trading one of the guys considered part of the core.

If you trade Marner and keep everyone else, you now have to replace ~100 points worth of production, your best PKer and one of the best two way wingers in the league. That's not gonna be done by getting a merely good defenceman, a good forward and a 1st rounder (unless that first rounder ends up being Bedard).

Trading Nylander? Your top 6 is now Matthews, Marner, Bunting, aging Tavares and Mikeyhev (Nylander's cap clearing would allow us to keep him) and Kerftoot?

Trade Matthews? This is out of the question.

Trading Tavares? His contract makes this an unwinnable trade.

Really the only member of the core you can trade and not consider it a blowup is Rielly.

Trading any combination two guys means blowing it up.

One core trade is far from a blow up.
It's amazing if we go out yet again, some want to roll it out again, for fear of not being as good. And there is no,trade this guy now you have to.replace....
It would be a different possibly more balanced team

 

[Thornbury]

First of all I would like to see those stats because I cannot find them. Second I said Tampa blocks shots, when we are near their net we are usually on the perimeter and they are crowding the net front and all players are sacrificing, lying down, taking away net space to so the goalie has less to cover and fewer shots get through. Lastly specifically on the Kutcherov goal Muzzin turns his head and makes himself small instead of facing the shot and if possible moving towards it to make himself bigger covering more net. Go back and watch the replay


Moving out Holl and Kerfoot saves about $5MM will hardly sort out the cap.

Holl and Kerfoot represent $5.5. The cap goes up by 1.0, and we have Kessel's 1.2 finally off the books. So 7.7 is a pretty good start to sorting out the cap.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Holl and Kerfoot represent $5.5. The cap goes up by 1.0, and we have Kessel's 1.2 finally off the books. So 7.7 is a pretty good start to sorting out the cap.

The cap increase and Kessel pay for $2.2 of Rielly $2.5 raise.

 

[saffronleaf]

probably none. we should probably be worried more about our own jobs the way the economy is going. these are all millionaires and billionaires and beyond that there's not much you can really do when the team is cursed.

 

[TheRumble]

One core trade is far from a blow up.
It's amazing if we go out yet again, some want to roll it out again, for fear of not being as good. And there is no,trade this guy now you have to.replace....
It would be a different possibly more balanced team

This is the most well balanced Leaf team literally in decades. Top 3 offensive in every relevant category, top 10 in defense is every relevant category.

 

[LegChairGM]

Only thing to change is the playoff format. Not having 1v8, 2v7 etc. is how great teams bow out in the first round 5, possibly going on 6, years in a row.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'd be good with Trotz

Honestly though I doubt we see any real changes

If they lose game 7,

That's 0-10 in games you can eliminate your opponent.

How in the flying **** could you rationalize running it back?

Dubas said he was willing to stake his job on it and ran it back, if they lose again, bye, you gambled and lost.

 

[seventieslord]

It's hard to say. We will all be frustrated, but when the playoff system repeatedly makes us play what should be a 2nd, or even 3rd round series in the first round, how can we really assess this team's ability to go on a run?

 

[Antropovsky]

Anyone who is advocating for trading one of the core 4 is advocating for a blow up regardless of what they wanna call it.

Nobody "retools" by trading one of the guys considered part of the core.

If you trade Marner and keep everyone else, you now have to replace ~100 points worth of production, your best PKer and one of the best two way wingers in the league. That's not gonna be done by getting a merely good defenceman, a good forward and a 1st rounder (unless that first rounder ends up being Bedard).

Trading Nylander? Your top 6 is now Matthews, Marner, Bunting, aging Tavares and Mikeyhev (Nylander's cap clearing would allow us to keep him) and Kerftoot?

Trade Matthews? This is out of the question.

Trading Tavares? His contract makes this an unwinnable trade.

Really the only member of the core you can trade and not consider it a blowup is Rielly.

Trading any combination two guys means blowing it up.

Who cares about Marners 100 point seasons....? if he dries up offensively in the playoffs and continues to make critical errors in big games then he is replaceable. If the season is not extended tomorrow then he will be 3/3 for poor playoffs since signing for 11 million and he has made several costly mistakes in must win games.

 

[Racer88]

If they do lose tomorrow night there will be such an uproar across the fan base and media that Shanny and Dubas will have to go into witness protection services

 

[ShaneFalco]

This is the most well balanced Leaf team literally in decades. Top 3 offensive in every relevant category, top 10 in defense is every relevant category.

But lose in the first round every year and that means dick all

If they lose game 7,

That's 0-10 in games you can eliminate your opponent.

How in the flying **** could you rationalize running it back?

Dubas said he was willing to stake his job on it and ran it back, if they lose again, bye, you gambled and lost.

Wiser's clap

 

[ER89]

id can keefe and bring in trotz

 

[rocketman588]

Only thing to change is the playoff format. Not having 1v8, 2v7 etc. is how great teams bow out in the first round 5, possibly going on 6, years in a row.

We played the 18 seed last year and the 9 seed in the East the year before

2019 we would have played the Bs anyways ( assuming like Before the realignment the division winners got the high seed)

2018 we get the pens instead of bruins

2017 same result as what happened

We don't get to use the seeding excuse after the past two years

This year we would have gotten the bruins if you want a piece of that

 

[Nineteen67]

The Core is finally playing playoff hockey so I’m not sure there will be many changes with upper management.

Keefe is on thin ice if the PP fails again, but likely a few assistance will fall on the sword. But I’d like to see Trotz given a chance.

Mr MissedChance Mik will likely be gone

 

[capfit9]

feeling and hearing like the goal posts are being moved this year, especially by hockey "insiders" and "analysts" (Dubas sympathizers) believing that since the team has played well specifically the top 4 guys, losing in the first round won't necessarily bring about any major changes in terms of management or roster.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Dubas said he was willing to stake his job on it and ran it back, if they lose again, bye, you gambled and lost.

Dubas: I'm willing.
Team: We want you back.
Dubas: Okay.

feeling and hearing like the goal posts are being moved this year, especially by hockey "insiders" and "analysts" (Dubas sympathizers) believing that since the team has played well specifically the top 4 guys, losing in the first round won't necessarily bring about any major changes in terms of management or roster.

There were no goal posts.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Who cares about Marners 100 point seasons....? if he dries up offensively in the playoffs and continues to make critical errors in big games then he is replaceable. If the season is not extended tomorrow then he will be 3/3 for poor playoffs since signing for 11 million and he has made several costly mistakes in must win games.

Exactly this. I've been thrilled with the way Marner's played the last few months and so far, the playoffs have been very good overall for him but still, he has what 2 points in the last 4 games?

Tomorrow is the most important game this franchise has played in almost 20 years and Marner needs to play up to his cap hit and be the superstar that we're paying him to be, simple as that. Like you said - who cares about 100 point seasons? I said early in the season when people were all over Marner because of his poor start that I don't care, 60 points, 120 points, it's all the same to me, just help us win in the playoffs. Well we're her now, let's see what you're made of kid.

He's been awesome for a few months but now it's all down to one game and Money Mitch needs to Magic Match, simple as that. After three seasons where his production has dropped off in the playoffs, I'd say the spotlight is more on him than anyone else. JMHO.

If they do lose tomorrow night there will be such an uproar across the fan base and media that Shanny and Dubas will have to go into witness protection services

I wouldn't go that far. Dubas has put a good team together, a team that looks like it could win the cup this season so if the players don't deliver, that's on them. If they suck again in game 7 then IMHO it's time for some major changes but I'm happy to have Dubas be the guy making them. If however the play their asses off the way they did last night and lose in the end, I think it's completely reasonable to basically bring as much of the same team back as possible next season except we need to figure out who our starting goalie is next season. Maybe it's Jack, maybe it isn't but we need to have a good #1 in place next October and if Jack costs us the game tomorrow night then I don't see how it can be him. It's just one hole to fill but it's a big one!

 

[Stamkos4life]

If they lose game 7,

That's 0-10 in games you can eliminate your opponent.

How in the flying **** could you rationalize running it back?

Dubas said he was willing to stake his job on it and ran it back, if they lose again, bye, you gambled and lost.

It's astounding how every blunder and failure is blamed on anyone but the gm of the team.

You know, the guy who decides who plays and who coaches.

Lots of these posters are dubas fan boys. It's honestly weird.

 

[Gary Nylund]

feeling and hearing like the goal posts are being moved this year, especially by hockey "insiders" and "analysts" (Dubas sympathizers) believing that since the team has played well specifically the top 4 guys, losing in the first round won't necessarily bring about any major changes in terms of management or roster.

If there's any goal posts that have moved this season then it's the team that's moved them by playing as well as they have. Of course if they suck tomorrow night then that's different, but there's no reason to think that that's going to happen.

If the goaltending lets us down then that's on Dubas obviously but other than that, I don't see how there's much to criticize about this team he's assembled.

 

[rocketman588]

If the team is playing A+ hockey in everyone's opinion and still isn't good enough to make it past the first round then it's time to change the team up...

 

[Racer88]

It's hard to say. We will all be frustrated, but when the playoff system repeatedly makes us play what should be a 2nd, or even 3rd round series in the first round, how can we really assess this team's ability to go on a run?

Montreal went on a run last year by beating great teams. Why can’t we beat the good teams. Isn’t. Dubas’s job to build a top team

 

[redgrant]

If it's any consolation plenty of oiler managerial jobs are on the line. I think dubas has done a better job building the leafs than Holland with the Oilers.

Well likely both be chasing the same gm if we both lose game 7.

I do think Edmonton and Toronto will win both. So much depends on 40 year old Mike Smith (thanks Holland). If he gets embarrassed Holland basically needs to get fired.

 

[Racer88]

This is the most well balanced Leaf team literally in decades. Top 3 offensive in every relevant category, top 10 in defense is every relevant category.

However if they do lose tomorrow night that will just prove they are not good enough to win the first round yet again