How many first round loses is Dubas allowed before he should be fired?

[TheRumble]

I'm sorry but in what universe is the Marleau contract anything except atrocious?

Jason Spezza provides what Marleau supposedly did for 1/9th the cap hit.

The minute I read that, then I know this thread has jumped the shark.

 

[Srsly]

Tampa ragdolled the first place Panthers and are now up 3-0. If they keep it up, it could absolve Dubas further in managements eyes. We did take them to seven games and push them to their limit. I think one of the main things to note is that looking at the losses outside of the lens of “lols first round” none of them were particularly embarrassing. Most were close.

 

[francis246]

I think he’s lucky we played Tampa this year because realistically he should be fired because this team hasn’t taken a leap under him.

That being said he’s done a good job but I can’t see how he survives another year if they lose in the first round next year.

 

[Racer88]

When I made that point, I assume Dubas will not be GM. I don’t trust him trading top players.

Ok that makes more sense. I was worried about you for a moment.

 

[Gabriel426]

Ok that makes more sense. I was worried about you for a moment.

Dubas don’t have the balls to trade any of the top guys unless it is such a lopsided deal that he just can’t say no. Actually it will be Shanny that say yes.

Tampa ragdolled the first place Panthers and are now up 3-0. If they keep it up, it could absolve Dubas further in managements eyes. We did take them to seven games and push them to their limit. I think one of the main things to note is that looking at the losses outside of the lens of “lols first round” none of them were particularly embarrassing. Most were close.

I am assuming you are talking about losses this year and not seasons past bc blowing a 3-1 series lead is really embarrassing. Or if not for a 6 mins 6 on 5 miracle, getting shut out twice in a 5 games series is also pretty embarrassing.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Also your posts seem to suggest that first round loses don't bother you and that dubas should stay on.

You would think an actual fan would rather get rid of management who can't win even one round.

You obviously are just a dubas fan boy so carry on simping for the guy.

This post suggests that you don't know how to read.

Overall, I think Dubas has done a decent job and probably has more hits than misses, but the misses have been in critical areas.

1. Tavares was not the right move at the time and cost $11M/yr, a first to dump Marleau, and Kappy & Johnsson
2. The Marner contract (when coupled with Tavares) was far too much
3. He should have put his foot down and fired Babcock after the 2019 playoffs and did a proper coaching search
4. There is currently a significant goalie issue as he enters his next "do or die" season.

So aside from cap, coaching, and goaltending mistakes, he's been pretty good.

The Tavares move wasn't good with the benefit of hindsight but then, nobody would have predicted all these 1st round exists. When he was signed, it felt like we were ready to win a cup and his talent/experience would mix nicely and help all the young talent we had. I can't blame him myself considering the jubilation here was pretty much unanimous when Tavares signed and I was just as happy as everyone else was at the time. We missed out on Stamkos, everyone was sad. Then we got Tavares, everyone was happy.

He's made some mistakes, the Marner contract was if not the biggest mistake, then it was IMHO the most obvious mistake.

I think his biggest defect might be taking the concept of loyalty too far. There's no way to know this or to measure this but if true, it's a big problem. It might be that he will never consider trading one of the young stars, never consider firing Keefe etc. and if true, yeah it's just really bad. He could succeed despite that but still, if I was in charge I'd find about this and if it was true, I'd fire him without a second thought. I would have done it a year ago actually but whatever, he's still here so I can only hope that it's not true.

It was not absurd.
Yes it was a year more than it should have been but considering where the team was at the time and the team plan at the time the 3rd year was not going to be a factor.

When signed it was for him to help the young guys and be a locker room presence.
Matthews and Marner loved the guy,made them happy,so he did his job.

The contract viewed at the time had the Leafs with tons of cap space until it ended and no threat to the team structure going by the plan of building slowly and slow cooking young guys and building piece by piece for 5 years.

Dubas took over and decided to speed it up and started spending like mad and did a terrible job of money management.
That final year should have been nothing but Dubas turned it into something so it was all blame to Dubas.

This is 100% wrong. Many of us said before the ink dried on the contract that the 3rd year was horrible and it would cost us a good player be it JVR, Gardiner or whoever else.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Tampa ragdolled the first place Panthers and are now up 3-0. If they keep it up, it could absolve Dubas further in managements eyes. We did take them to seven games and push them to their limit. I think one of the main things to note is that looking at the losses outside of the lens of “lols first round” none of them were particularly embarrassing. Most were close.

Up 3-2 going into the 3rd period of game 7 against Boston 4 years ago and IMHO, losing the 3rd 4-0 was embarrassing.

The next 3 series deciding games we got outscored 11-2 in total and all those games were embarrassing.

That's a total of 4 years where the way we went down in the end without a fight was embarrassing. JMHO.

We played hard against TB, we even showed up and competed in game 7. This was the first time since the WSH series where I don't feel the least bit embarrassed about how we went down.

 

[ShaneFalco]

This was the first time since the WSH series where I don't feel the least bit embarrassed about how we went down.

Omg is this the standard now? We didnt embarrass ourselves and we tried?!

 

[Gary Nylund]

Omg is this the standard now? We didnt embarrass ourselves and we tried?!

What standard? What are you talking about?

 

[ShaneFalco]

What standard? What are you talking about?

"This was the first time since the WSH series where I don't feel the least bit embarrassed about how we went down."

 

[Kazparov]

We played hard against TB, we even showed up and competed in game 7. This was the first time since the WSH series where I don't feel the least bit embarrassed about how we went down.

100% this. This year was not like previous ones. They showed up, they battled hard and they lost to a good team. No shame or outrage here.

Last year their play left us questioning their heart and fight. This year it came down to a couple of key mistakes not a lack of effort.

 

[Gary Nylund]

"This was the first time since the WSH series where I don't feel the least bit embarrassed about how we went down."

The post I responded to said basically that none of our 1st round exist were embarrassing and my response was that 4 out of the last 5 were indeed embarrassing.

I also don't see the word "standard" there anywhere so again, what is it you're taking issue with here?

 

[mikeyz]

Of course I care. I've been a fan for over 50 years FFS, what a stupid thing to say.

You're obviously very angry and unable to think straight. I'd suggest you take a break from posting but that would probably just make even angrier so I have no idea what to say to you.

Have a nice day. Is it Ok to say that?

No offense But you certainly have a funny way of showing that you care.

100% this. This year was not like previous ones. They showed up, they battled hard and they lost to a good team. No shame or outrage here.

Last year their play left us questioning their heart and fight. This year it came down to a couple of key mistakes not a lack of effort.

So, we're supposed to give them credit for showing up and battling hard in a game 7 unlike previous years?

 

[myleafs]

Sign me up for that plan. Wait a minute I changed my mind……..Tonedog had a good point……..do we really want Dubas making those kinds of decision.
lol

Im okay with Dubas handling things if he shows some sort of understanding of the issues in the first place. He seemed to show this by signing guys like Bunting, Giordano, Boosh and even Blackwell....all guys who compete and aren't afraid. If he keeps going in that direction and creates a 4th line that has a purpose then Im behind him. The goalie situation is a tricky one though.

 

[ShaneFalco]

100% this. This year was not like previous ones. They showed up, they battled hard and they lost to a good team. No shame or outrage here.

Last year their play left us questioning their heart and fight. This year it came down to a couple of key mistakes not a lack of effort.

Omfg they showed up is acceptable now
You have to beat good teams in the first round or beyond

 

[Racer88]

Im okay with Dubas handling things if he shows some sort of understanding of the issues in the first place. He seemed to show this by signing guys like Bunting, Giordano, Boosh and even Blackwell....all guys who compete and aren't afraid. If he keeps going in that direction and creates a 4th line that has a purpose then Im behind him. The goalie situation is a tricky one though.

I’m not 100% sure he does understand the issues. First and foremost is lack of available cap space to seriously upgrade in net

 

[Gary Nylund]

No offense But you certainly have a funny way of showing that you care.

Go on, I'm listening.

 

[myleafs]

I'm sorry but in what universe is the Marleau contract anything except atrocious?

Jason Spezza provides what Marleau supposedly did for 1/9th the cap hit.

The minute I read that, then I know this thread has jumped the shark.

I would agree that it was brutal. I understood the concept of a guy like Marleau but he was wayyyy to passive for my liking. In saying that the leafs were not in any sort of cap trouble until Dubas put them there. That last year of Marleau wasnt going to be pretty but playing it out keeping our 1st and our cap space and going from there was the original plan by the looks of things. Dubas just got a little excited and a little ahead of himself imo.

 

[mikeyz]

Go on, I'm listening.

Because judging by your posts, you seem to be more of a Dubas fan then a Leafs fan.

 

[mikeyz]

Go on, I'm listening.

Because judging by your posts, you seem to be more of a Dubas fan then a Leafs fan.

 

[Sammy Kat]

This post suggests that you don't know how to read.


The Tavares move wasn't good with the benefit of hindsight but then, nobody would have predicted all these 1st round exists. When he was signed, it felt like we were ready to win a cup and his talent/experience would mix nicely and help all the young talent we had. I can't blame him myself considering the jubilation here was pretty much unanimous when Tavares signed and I was just as happy as everyone else was at the time. We missed out on Stamkos, everyone was sad. Then we got Tavares, everyone was happy.

He's made some mistakes, the Marner contract was if not the biggest mistake, then it was IMHO the most obvious mistake.

I think his biggest defect might be taking the concept of loyalty too far. There's no way to know this or to measure this but if true, it's a big problem. It might be that he will never consider trading one of the young stars, never consider firing Keefe etc. and if true, yeah it's just really bad. He could succeed despite that but still, if I was in charge I'd find about this and if it was true, I'd fire him without a second thought. I would have done it a year ago actually but whatever, he's still here so I can only hope that it's not true.



This is 100% wrong. Many of us said before the ink dried on the contract that the 3rd year was horrible and it would cost us a good player be it JVR, Gardiner or whoever else.

I think you are not thinking back correctly and mixed up the actual years and you are the one 100% wrong.

The leafs would have had over 30 million in cap space going into the Nylander talks with Matthews/Marner coming the year later.
All expectations had the 3 coming in at around 22 million leaving plenty in the till on Patty's last year.

Hardly anybody I knew were worried about that last year but now some claim they did which is really strange since we were still rebuilding and had no idea a guy like JT was coming here and that the kids would get another 7 million.

Dubas signs JT to that big contract ad then gets bent over with the other 3 and overpays the planned 22 mil by a large margin.
Viola,Dubas creates his own giant mess that not a single fan I know could possibly see coming.

It is easier for Dubas fans to look back and blame it on Lou after the fact but looking with clear eyes it was never going to be a concern until Dubas made it one.

 

[GoonieFace]

Change the core, they've been a bigger part of the clown show.

I agree 100%, but we all know the Dubes stance on that.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Because judging by your posts, you seem to be more of a Dubas fan then a Leafs fan.

You either missed a ton of posts I've made in the last few days, or you read them and didn't understand what you're reading. Either way, you're way off.

I think you are not thinking back correctly and mixed up the actual years and you are the one 100% wrong.

The leafs would have had over 30 million in cap space going into the Nylander talks with Matthews/Marner coming the year later.
All expectations had the 3 coming in at around 22 million leaving plenty in the till on Patty's last year.

Hardly anybody I knew were worried about that last year but now some claim they did which is really strange since we were still rebuilding and had no idea a guy like JT was coming here and that the kids would get another 7 million.

Dubas signs JT to that big contract ad then gets bent over with the other 3 and overpays the planned 22 mil by a large margin.
Viola,Dubas creates his own giant mess that not a single fan I know could possibly see coming.

It is easier for Dubas fans to look back and blame it on Lou after the fact but looking with clear eyes it was never going to be a concern until Dubas made it one.

I see you joined here in 2021, that explains it.

I don't know who you were talking to but you obviously weren't posting here. I on the other hand was here when the Marleau deal was signed, I remember it very well and I'm telling you that me, and a bunch of other people were pissed off about that contract the minute it was signed, and the 3rd year of that deal was the specific reason.

If you don't believe me, feel free to learn how to use the search function - these discussions are all in the archives.

I agree 100%, but we all know the Dubes stance on that.

Depends on who you consider the core to be I guess. If it's the big 4 forwards + Rielly then I can't agree, I thought they all played pretty well in the playoffs. I think it might even be fair to say that those players, were our 5 best players in these playoffs, not much if anything to criticize there. JMHO.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Dubas is pretty much done. Front office will take control and he can watch

 

[BrannigansLaw]

That Gio re-signing just bought him three more first round exits among the church of Dubas’ followers.

No other GM could have pulled that off.