How many first round loses is Dubas allowed before he should be fired?
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Regardless of whether you think they should be here or not, it was clear from the post season press conference they were not going anywhere at the moment.
The extensions for both GM and President are not assurances they will not be fired. That's my only point. So I don't see this as good or bad news, just news. If the team falters early in the season, the contracts will not prevent MLSE from making a change. We've seen it many times before with this team, and others.
Something tells me even if you read one, you wouldn't believe it anyway so what's the point.
No one is changing anyone's mind here.
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They dumped Babcock and he was owed just as much, if not more. While I'd prefer to axe both, I think it's better that Dubas isn't on the last year of his deal. Who knows what he'd do out of desperation for his job.
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Those successes came many years after the years pointed out by the poster you quoted.
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You do realize there are 100 facets involved with this question right? It's only simplistic and stupid because you have tunnel vision.
Not sure what you mean. I think you have things backwards. The thread title literally asks a "tunnel vision" question, and my post identifies that there are more "facets" that need to be considered than exclusively the one mentioned in the title.
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14 years of bad with Stamkos and Hedman. just pointing that out for Leafs fans who think winning happens just because you have some good players.
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I think they are taking turns exposing themselves , last time I ripped on him it was much more than 6 but several were PM 's , they do seem to be much quieter in general .
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Ok I'll clarify by expanding my statement for you ok? In the 9 seasons since the last 2 DNQ's in the OP the Lightning have failed to qualify once and been booted after the first round twice . Six times they have been to at least the conference final and three times they have been to the Cup final losing once , the final season is this current playoff where they are in the conference final so far . Hardly a comparisson to the Leafs who in the same time period have five first round exits , one play in loss =DNQ and three regular DNQ . Now does it seem wise to compare those two records as being anywhere close to equals ?
I love how its the 4th best (regular season) team when we're describing Toronto, yet you use best team to describe Tampa (8th best in regular season).
So which is it? Either they choked against a lower seeded team, or the team thats never made it outta the 1st round lost to the 2x defending champs. You can't have your cake and eat it too
ShaneFalco
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Leafs also had 2 games to close it out and once again couldn't. TB was just heating up
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If you exclude the part where they win series they are virtually identical.
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It was renamed “All For Nothing”
They’ve always had weak arguments, but, yeah, this year, it’s been really bad. Lol.
keonsbitterness
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Yeah my bad, anyway playoffs are a crap shoot, regular season a truer sample of the teams ability. Most years at a least 1 of the top 4 teams during the regular season are pegged as Cup favourites. The regular season means a lot. Playoffs, they say anything can happen for a reason.
Suntouchable13
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Only fans of teams that have 0 playoff success say that. Nobody cares who finishes where in the regular season. Teams play for the cup. Regular season means dick. I wouldn't take the Leafs over any of the final 4/5 teams here.
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How many more times is this damn team going to xhke in the first round?! And they are still going to eep the core?
Bc they ran out of reasons, hahaha
I don't know, I can still point to Vas.If you exclude the part where they win series they are virtually identical.
What exactly would firing Dubas accomplish anyway? We'd get a "better" GM? You sure about that? How do you know?
And what constitutes a "better" GM? A guy who gets playoff caliber players? What's a playoff caliber player? Good, tough defensive guys who show up in the playoffs? So guys like Giordano? Oh, wait, that's exactly what Dubas did...
Oh, you meant get a great goalie? Oh, sure, that's REAL easy. Leafs have only been searching for one for years and finally got one that didn't instantly choke. Campbell was actually good enough to get the job done.
So for all intents and purposes, Dubas did his job. EVERYONE did their jobs. The only people who DIDN'T do their jobs was the players shooting mindlessly at Vasilevskiy with all these low danger shots. And even then, the Leafs TECHNICALLY scored two goals and played to a tie, but ended up losing a goal on a technicality.
So I don't know what you guys are expecting to happen here. This is finger pointing and that's all that's to it. Once everyone has had a chance to take a breath and get some oxygen to their brains, you'll all realize how pointless all of this is. The fact of the matter is that was the best Leafs team EVER. They lost not because they choked or because the goalie crapped the bed or because blah blah blah...they lost because one of their goals didn't count. That's it.
If anything, the people who were able to put together that team have the best chance of putting together a similar team than ANY OTHER COMBINATION OF PERSONAL. The reality is changing all the key players now, from a team operating at its height, is FAR more likely to result in a lesser performance than a team remaining fully intact and using its resources to find that one piece they're missing.
And what constitutes a "better" GM? A guy who gets playoff caliber players? What's a playoff caliber player? Good, tough defensive guys who show up in the playoffs? So guys like Giordano? Oh, wait, that's exactly what Dubas did...
Oh, you meant get a great goalie? Oh, sure, that's REAL easy. Leafs have only been searching for one for years and finally got one that didn't instantly choke. Campbell was actually good enough to get the job done.
So for all intents and purposes, Dubas did his job. EVERYONE did their jobs. The only people who DIDN'T do their jobs was the players shooting mindlessly at Vasilevskiy with all these low danger shots. And even then, the Leafs TECHNICALLY scored two goals and played to a tie, but ended up losing a goal on a technicality.
So I don't know what you guys are expecting to happen here. This is finger pointing and that's all that's to it. Once everyone has had a chance to take a breath and get some oxygen to their brains, you'll all realize how pointless all of this is. The fact of the matter is that was the best Leafs team EVER. They lost not because they choked or because the goalie crapped the bed or because blah blah blah...they lost because one of their goals didn't count. That's it.
If anything, the people who were able to put together that team have the best chance of putting together a similar team than ANY OTHER COMBINATION OF PERSONAL. The reality is changing all the key players now, from a team operating at its height, is FAR more likely to result in a lesser performance than a team remaining fully intact and using its resources to find that one piece they're missing.
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Still not sure why everyone moans about Kadri. All the guy ever did in the playoffs was get suspended. And not just with the Leafs.
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