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How many first round loses is Dubas allowed before he should be fired?

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How many first round loses is dubas allowed before he should be fired?

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Tuttle said:
Is it possible, however remote that this team isn't built for the playoffs. Too easily shut down when it matters most despite having all this talent
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This is something I been mulling over for a few years now, just desperately trying to figure out why is it that when when game 7 comes, we play our worst hockey and fade without a fight. Not sure playoff hockey has anything to do with that since the first 6 games are fine so that seems to indicate some sort of choking gene? Not sure, just grasping at straws here, I'll freely admit I never found any answers here, I repeatedly asked this question of people over the last few months and nobody had any suggestions. But I digress ...

I'm not really worried about it anymore though since the streak of just giving it away in game 7 ended this year, hopefully for good. We were so close to taking out TB which would have been huge considering what a powerhouse that team is. Just an inch here or an inch there and we were through but because we lost this game of inches, so many people are bleating the "just another playoff loss" narrative and are completely unwilling or unable to understand that this is still a really good team we have here. If we had to play a series starting tomorrow against any team in the East, I would bet good money that we beat anyone except TB and TB is basically a tossup.

I have some concerns about whether or not Dubas is the guy to get it done and I've said what they are. Hopefully I'm just being paranoid and Dubas finds us a goalie. If he does that, I'll feel pretty good about going into next season, we'll see.

Oh yeah, I don't think we were "easily shut down" at all. The 4 years previous, sure but not this time. Hopefully we've turned the corner and next year will be when good things start to happen. The Gio signing is a good omen, he's a very good pro (sorry, gud pro), he obviously likes what he saw in his time here and that's meaningful. He wants a cup before he's done and he thinks this is where can can get it done, definitely a good sign!

mikeyz said:
Well. You're constantly defending Dubas as a good GM, so.
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If you ignore all the posts where I've criticized him then sure. Do you have some mental block that prevents you from you being able to comprehend when I post my criticisms of Dubas?
 
justashadowof said:
One Cup Final appearance is what you want for this Leafs' era that produced 3 star forwards in consecutive drafts? IMO Washington totally blew its opportunity for dynastic Stanley Cup contention with the greatest winger since Howe/Richard. Washington's record is a really low bar and still one far above the Leafs' accomplishments to date.
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Yup!

And if that is the bar that is set by some fans why does it have to be under dubas is the next logical question? What is so special about dubas that he has to be the GM if caps' route is the route they want to take. Any GM can accomplish that.
 
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justashadowof said:
One Cup Final appearance is what you want for this Leafs' era that produced 3 star forwards in consecutive drafts? IMO Washington totally blew its opportunity for dynastic Stanley Cup contention with the greatest winger since Howe/Richard. Washington's record is a really low bar and still one far above the Leafs' accomplishments to date.
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You act like being a dynasty, winning multiple cups is easy? The cap era demands you can't retain some of your talent each year. That's what it's designed to do.
 
mikeyz said:
How has he not been a failure with 4 straight 1st round playoff losses?


So, you don’t think there’s a difference between losing in the 1st round and the SCF right?

So, let me ask you something. Do you think that losing in the 1st round makes you a cup contender?
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I don't. Especially in the cap era. Because in the cap era, most teams have a ton of turn over each summer dynamically changing the look of their teams in some cases. Look at Montreal. Do you think they are closer to the cup this year? LOL. Teams can go on runs. Find a groove in the playoffs and sometimes go far. It doesn't mean anything and you haven't won anything.

Do I think losing in the first round makes you a cup contender? I think it's growing pains for our core. I think you need to evaluate them on their growth and how they play and not so much about results like first round loss versus a second round loss. Who did they play? How did they play against them?

Let me ask you, had the refs not screwed us and the Leafs got that 2-1 goal and not Tampa, do you think it's a fair statement to suggest they would have also steam rolled passed Florida?
 
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Drytoast said:
I don't. Especially in the cap era. Because in the cap era, most teams have a ton of turn over each summer dynamically changing the look of their teams in some cases. Look at Montreal. Do you think they are closer to the cup this year? LOL. Teams can go on runs. Find a groove in the playoffs and sometimes go far. It doesn't mean anything and you haven't won anything.

Do I think losing in the first round makes you a cup contender? I think it's growing pains for our core. I think you need to evaluate them on their growth and how they play and not so much about results like first round loss versus a second round loss. Who did they play? How did they play against them?

Let me ask you, had the refs not screwed us and the Leafs got that 2-1 goal and not Tampa, do you think it's a fair statement to suggest they would have also steam rolled passed Florida?
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I DO NOT believe our Leafs would have steam rolled the Florida Panthers. Our Leafs always do things the HARD WAY. They have perfected the art of complicating the teams they are playing. They can lose so easily to the bottom feeders. And yes, I realize that any NHL team can beat another despite where they are in the standings, but our Leafs do it consistently, and have done so for years.

I would guess that our Leafs would have lost a heart breaker to the Florida Panthers in game seven. That is just their way of doing things. And besides, the referee bias against our Leafs would have been way more obvious against the Florida Panthers, as Bettman and Jacobs are hell bent on making NHL hockey a success in the U.S. deep south all at the cost of Canadian teams.
 
Al14 said:
I DO NOT believe our Leafs would have steam rolled the Florida Panthers. Our Leafs always do things the HARD WAY. They have perfected the art of complicating the teams they are playing. They can lose so easily to the bottom feeders. And yes, I realize that any NHL team can beat another despite where they are in the standings, but our Leafs do it consistently, and have done so for years.

I would guess that our Leafs would have lost a heart breaker to the Florida Panthers in game seven. That is just their way of doing things. And besides, the referee bias against our Leafs would have been way more obvious against the Florida Panthers, as Bettman and Jacobs are hell bent on making NHL hockey a success in the U.S. deep south all at the cost of Canadian teams.
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Basically the Panthers did a monster choke so does that mean they lay down for everyone? I know Vasi was a lot better than vs the Leafs. Top 2 goal scorers this playoffs for TB are Colton and Perry. Meanwhile Carter Verhaeghe has 6 goals but Huberdeau, Bennett, Reinhart and Duclair only have 6 between them. I think TO v FLO would have been a great series.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
This is something I been mulling over for a few years now, just desperately trying to figure out why is it that when when game 7 comes, we play our worst hockey and fade without a fight. Not sure playoff hockey has anything to do with that since the first 6 games are fine so that seems to indicate some sort of choking gene? Not sure, just grasping at straws here, I'll freely admit I never found any answers here, I repeatedly asked this question of people over the last few months and nobody had any suggestions. But I digress ...

I'm not really worried about it anymore though since the streak of just giving it away in game 7 ended this year, hopefully for good. We were so close to taking out TB which would have been huge considering what a powerhouse that team is. Just an inch here or an inch there and we were through but because we lost this game of inches, so many people are bleating the "just another playoff loss" narrative and are completely unwilling or unable to understand that this is still a really good team we have here. If we had to play a series starting tomorrow against any team in the East, I would bet good money that we beat anyone except TB and TB is basically a tossup.

I have some concerns about whether or not Dubas is the guy to get it done and I've said what they are. Hopefully I'm just being paranoid and Dubas finds us a goalie. If he does that, I'll feel pretty good about going into next season, we'll see.

Oh yeah, I don't think we were "easily shut down" at all. The 4 years previous, sure but not this time. Hopefully we've turned the corner and next year will be when good things start to happen. The Gio signing is a good omen, he's a very good pro (sorry, gud pro), he obviously likes what he saw in his time here and that's meaningful. He wants a cup before he's done and he thinks this is where can can get it done, definitely a good sign!


If you ignore all the posts where I've criticized him then sure. Do you have some mental block that prevents you from you being able to comprehend when I post my criticisms of Dubas?
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Show me 1 post where you've criticized them. Because I have never seen one from you.
 
Al14 said:
I DO NOT believe our Leafs would have steam rolled the Florida Panthers. Our Leafs always do things the HARD WAY. They have perfected the art of complicating the teams they are playing. They can lose so easily to the bottom feeders. And yes, I realize that any NHL team can beat another despite where they are in the standings, but our Leafs do it consistently, and have done so for years.

I would guess that our Leafs would have lost a heart breaker to the Florida Panthers in game seven. That is just their way of doing things. And besides, the referee bias against our Leafs would have been way more obvious against the Florida Panthers, as Bettman and Jacobs are hell bent on making NHL hockey a success in the U.S. deep south all at the cost of Canadian teams.
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I disagree then. I think with the level of compete and energy brought by our main guys was very obviously different and improved to how they did things last year. That's just a reality. And a great one! Since they are young.

I also believe that had the Leafs gotten past Tampa then the ability to close out would be off their backs and they would have been riding a very high confidence going into Florida. Being built nearly identical to the Bolts, I believe the outcome would have been similar.

I don't think there is a grand conspiracy to remove the Leafs from the playoffs, our revenue means cap space could go up. Hell it takes 3 Tampa Bay lightening clubs to equal one Toronto Maple Leafs club in revenue.

So the league as a whole suffers from us being out. But I do believe it was gross incompetence or inconsistency by the officiating that happened to f*** us over. But they DID f*** us over. Their impact on the games helped dictate the outcomes absolutely. And it's enforced that when you show the evidence of the video of either calls made or not made in Tampa's favor that lead to pivotal goals in the series, all you get as an argument is memes and childish quips. But the reality is what the reality is.

The piss poor officating is neither Dubas or the bud's fault.
 
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mikeyz said:
Show me 1 post where you've criticized them. Because I have never seen one from you.
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Why would I spend time digging one up for you? What's in it for me?

Edit - and who are "them", I thought we were talking about Dubas?
 
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Tuttle said:
It's actually a response to some of the absolute bs takes in here that if somehow, if this team could get out of the first round, they'd go right to the Cup. But ok Gary
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You might want to quote people when responding them, otherwise you come across like "old man yells at cloud".
 
Drytoast said:
You act like being a dynasty, winning multiple cups is easy? The cap era demands you can't retain some of your talent each year. That's what it's designed to do.
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Well, 4 franchises have won multiple Stanley Cups since the advent of the salary cap plus 2 more franchises have been to multiple Stanley Cup Finals.

12 franchises in total other than the Leafs have had 6 (or more) year playoff streaks during that time. Detroit (11 straight seasons), Minnesota, Nashville, Rangers, San Jose, St. Louis, Washington (two different streaks), Chicago, Boston (two different streaks), Pittsburgh (15 straight seasons) and Anaheim. No team other than the Leafs have failed to win a single playoff series during any consecutive 6 year streak. In fact the worst 6 year streak is only 2 series wins by Minnesota and Detroit (during the last 6 years of their 11 year streak).
 
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Ovie Backstrom had 14 years. Stamkos and Hedman had 14 years. Stamkos, Hedman, and Kucherov had 8 years. Tavares has been here for 3 seasons. This core needs more time. Fans are so impatient. Leafs need a GOOD GOALIE!
 
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Gary Nylund said:
Why would I spend time digging one up for you? What's in it for me?

Edit - and who are "them", I thought we were talking about Dubas?
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The onus is on you to prove it. Why would I spend time digging for something that may or may not exist just based on your word?

And I added “them” as in the Leafs as well as Dubas.
 
Tuttle said:
I'm ok with that thanks
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Haha, fair enough.

Al14 said:
Well, at least I was an "old man yelling at real furniture and the TV" !!! Lolol
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The loudest I yelled in the playoffs was when JT scored. And then when it was disallowed, I got quiet again. Sigh.

mikeyz said:
The onus is on you to prove it. Why would I spend time digging for something that may or may not exist just based on your word?

And I added “them” as in the Leafs as well as Dubas.
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LOL onus. Why would I spend time digging to show that you're wrong? If you think I'm lying, that's your decision and making incorrect claims about me only makes you look foolish.

Now if you'd respond politely and say something like "OK if you can show me a post where you were critical of Dubas, I'll admit I'm wrong and apologize", then I'd probably do it. I'd find a post where I criticized Dubas, you can apologize and we can be friends. :)
 
JKG33 said:
I wish Q was the Leafs coach
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Of course a knuckle dragger like you would think this. I guess turning an eye to sexual assault is okay.

Tuttle said:
If we win one round there's no stopping them :laugh:
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No one cares about a round… cup or bust. Do you think anything would be different with you clowns if they reversed roles with Florida?
If the leafs squeaked out a win vs an inferior opponent then got boot f***ed by Tampa in 4 straight would the dialogue here really be any different? I doubt it.
 
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