How many first round loses is Dubas allowed before he should be fired?

[Suntouchable13]

Exactly! There's so many of them too, just saying the same thing over and over again.

But they (Leafs management) are happy with status quo. They are happy with making the playoffs and setting regular season records. That's the vibe I got from the pressers. We are not close to Tampa, despite what some of you are saying. If Dubas and Shanny are happy with status quo, we will not see any tangible improvements next playoffs. Besides, I don't trust this team to duplicate the effort next year. They can very easily replicate 2020 and 2021. You guys are happy with the better effort, but the result is the same. Tampa doesn't make excuses, they just win. Moral victories are pathetic at this point. Why are we the simpletons when you guys think just because we played a close 7 gamer with Tampa we are somehow on their level. It's laughable.

 

[Drytoast]

All true. They didn't get it done but in the couple of decades since our last playoff win, the MTL series was probably the worst we played in any series and the TB series was the best we played. Lumping them them together is something only a simpleton could do.


Not sure if he's the smartest ever but smartest in a while for sure.

And good question!

I signed on as a Leaf fan in the 80's

In my span the GM's were;
Gerry McNamara
Gord Stellick
Floyd Smith
Cliff Fletcher
Bill Waters
Ken Dryden
Pat Quinn
JFJ
Brian Burke
Dave Nonis
Lou
And now Kyle

We don't have a great history of GM's. Kyle is the smartest of that bunch. And I dare say with the way he negotiates around the salary cap, one of the smartest in the league.

 

[Dreakmur]

One thing Dubas has done is massively improved our D to the point where I'm pretty sure nobody's D is that much better than ours. There's also more than 4 D-men on a team so there is that as well.

Yes, Dubas took a terrible blueline and made it decent. He deserves credit for improving, but looking at Tampa Bay should show you how much further there is to go. Hedman, McDonagh, Sergachev, and Cernak is so far beyond Rielly, Muzzin, Brodie, and Giordano.

There are more than 4 - Tampa's depth includes Rutta, Bogosian, and Foote. That's not much behind Liljgren, Holl, and Lyubushkin.

 

[Drytoast]

Yes, Dubas took a terrible blueline and made it decent. He deserves credit for improving, but looking at Tampa Bay should show you how much further there is to go. Hedman, McDonagh, Sergachev, and Cernak is so far beyond Rielly, Muzzin, Brodie, and Giordano.

There are more than 4 - Tampa's depth includes Rutta, Bogosian, and Foote. That's not much behind Liljgren, Holl, and Lyubushkin.

You know...we actually scored 1 more goal than Tampa did in the series, ya?

If the blue line of theirs was so good...how does that happen?

 

[JKG33]

I signed on as a Leaf fan in the 80's

In my span the GM's were;
Gerry McNamara
Gord Stellick
Floyd Smith
Cliff Fletcher
Bill Waters
Ken Dryden
Pat Quinn
JFJ
Brian Burke
Dave Nonis
Lou
And now Kyle

We don't have a great history of GM's. Kyle is the smartest of that bunch. And I dare say with the way he negotiates around the salary cap, one of the smartest in the league.

You also have to look at what those GM's inherited. Lou had a blank slate and built up the best team any of the GM's on that list could've inherited.

I would've liked to have seen what Burke for example could've done with this team instead of the JFJ mess he got

 

[Gabriel426]

But we didn't need the cap space at the time until we signed JT. I agree with you that the signing of Patty was stupid...but the money was not that big a problem until Dubas turned it into a problem. I still don't understand why Lou didn't front load the deal with bonuses so he could be shipped off for a 4th round pick to arizona because it would be just a cap hit and no money owed. That part was stupid to leave the 3rd year the way it was.

IF it not for JT and his 11mil caphit, it would had been other players that filled that cap space. There is no way, Dubas is letting 11mil cap space sit there without using it bc it needs to be save to pay Marleau or whoever the next season.

 

[JKG33]

IF it not for JT and his 11mil caphit, it would had been other players that filled that cap space. There is no way, Dubas is letting 11mil cap space sit there without using it bc it needs to be save to pay Marleau or whoever the next season.

If it's not Tavares, Dubas would've found other soft one dimensional forwards to overpay in his place

 

[ShaneFalco]

Hey they played hard and got the respect handshake - who needs playoff rounds - even one

 

[Gabriel426]

If it's not Tavares, Dubas would've found other soft one dimensional forwards to overpay in his place

Pretty much, and thats why JT or not, Marleau's signing was a mistake esp since Lou didn't trade JVR for futures that same summer. IF Lou had done that, then the Marleau signing would made more sense.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Looks like Florida's other soft offensive regular season mirage.

 

[m1ker]

What are the advanced stats on teams making it to the finals after beating the leafs at pond hockey in the first round?

 

[Drytoast]

You also have to look at what those GM's inherited. Lou had a blank slate and built up the best team any of the GM's on that list could've inherited.

I would've liked to have seen what Burke for example could've done with this team instead of the JFJ mess he got

The players hated Lou. In the Island Barkov hated Lou. Lou is not a great GM.

If you recall, Lou f***ed over the bonus money owed to Marner. Which we paid for when we signed him long term. I firmly believe if Lou were GM, the chances for Matthews resigning here would be nil. As it stands right now because of how Dubas governs the room, I'm fairly confident both Marner and Matthews will re up for at least another contract.

While Dubas has been hamstrung by having most of his cap locked into 4 guys, he's managed to find;

Bunting
Cambell
Lybushkin
Kase
Kampf
Mykieve (or however which way it's spelled)

He's gotten Spezza to be here for league min. And now Gio. He missed the bus on Marchment and Myrazek but then no GM hits home runs every time.

Holl is a decent defenseman. He plays heavy minutes and is a big part as to why our penalty kill is so good. And he comes in at only 2 mil. The only reason why people hate Holl is because when he does something right, you don't notice because it's not a goal or an assist. It's clearing out the net or making the first pass or blocking a shot.

Ontop of great scouting, he's shown he is an expert at working around the salary cap. Which is a huge plus in this day and age.

Nobody in this thread can tell me who the hell is out there and available that is better then Dubas.

It's all just childish nonsense by fans who are frustrated at another first round loss. Completely missing the boat of the eye test in how they played and who they played.

 

[mikeyz]

Who did better in the playoffs, us or Florida? Does beating a weak Washington team before getting smoked 4-0 with embarassing scores make you feel better than a competitive series with the same team?

Yes. 100% and it’s not even close. Especially considering that it’s been 20 years since they've been in the 2nd round and have had 6 straight 1st round exits.

At least making it to the 2nd round is progression at this point.

 

[JKG33]

Looks like Florida's other soft offensive regular season mirage.

It's a shame, they actually knew how to play physical hockey. No idea what happened with their stars disappearing

Makes me wonder what would've happened had they not been screwed over by the league basically forcing their coach out

The players hated Lou. In the Island Barkov hated Lou. Lou is not a great GM.

If you recall, Lou f***ed over the bonus money owed to Marner. Which we paid for when we signed him long term. I firmly believe if Lou were GM, the chances for Matthews resigning here would be nil. As it stands right now because of how Dubas governs the room, I'm fairly confident both Marner and Matthews will re up for at least another contract.

While Dubas has been hamstrung by having most of his cap locked into 4 guys, he's managed to find

Bunting
Cambell
Lybushkin
Kase
Kampf
Mykieve (or however which way it's spelled)

He's gotten Spezza to be here for league min. And now Gio. He missed the bus on Marchment and Myrazek but then no GM hits home runs every time.

Nobody in this thread can tell me who the hell is out there and available that is better then Dubas.

It's all just childish nonsense by fans who are frustrated at another first round loss. Completely missing the boat of the eye test in how they played and who they played.

Oh trust me, I hated Lou almost as much as I do Dubas. They're complete opposite ends of the spectrum. But Dubas caving to Marner's entitled demands aren't a good look for either of them.

All those nobodies dubas has "found" didn't do much in the playoffs

 

[Gabriel426]

It's a shame, they actually knew how to play physical hockey. No idea what happened with their stars disappearing

Makes me wonder what would've happened had they not been screwed over by the league basically forcing their coach out

Joe Q deserved it. All Q needed to do is say, lets HR handles it, instead of going on record stating lets discuss this after the playoffs....But I agree with the other points.

 

[JKG33]

Joe Q deserved it. All Q needed to do is say, lets HR handles it, instead of going on record stating lets discuss this after the playoffs....But I agree with the other points.

I wish Q was the Leafs coach

 

[mikeyz]

Last year making changes would have seemed somewhat logical. This year though, after what was the best regular season in team history and coming within an inch of beating the powerhouse TB team in the playoffs, the optics are much different. If they stuck with Dubas last year, there's no reason to expect them not to stick with him this year. Of course the simpletons will scream about how it's just another 1st round exit as if they're all the same but whatever.

Because it IS just another 1st round exit.

Whats the difference between “Coming within an inch of beating the powerhouse TB team” this year and the previous other playoff eliminations in the last half decade?

Did they advance past the 1st round because they came within that inch this year??

 

[Drytoast]

It's a shame, they actually knew how to play physical hockey. No idea what happened with their stars disappearing

Makes me wonder what would've happened had they not been screwed over by the league basically forcing their coach out


Oh trust me, I hated Lou almost as much as I do Dubas. They're complete opposite ends of the spectrum. But Dubas caving to Marner's entitled demands aren't a good look for either of them.

All those nobodies dubas has "found" didn't do much in the playoffs

Bunting is up for rookie of the year for crying out loud.
Kampf made Vas look like Myrazek.

The team played great. Tampa played great. We lost by 1 damn goal of which the refs f***ed us. It sucked we had to play Tampa in the first round but if you wanna win you gotta get through the tough teams.

The leafs are young and only getting better each year. Relax.

Mario was drafted in 1984 and didn't win the cup til 91. Ovechkin? he took longer. Nobody wins the damn thing right away. It just doesn't happen.

Dubas is fine. And unless you can tell me who you would replace him with that's available this is a dead convo.

 

[JKG33]

Bunting is up for rookie of the year for crying out loud.
Kampf made Vas look like Myrazek.

The team played great. Tampa played great. We lost by 1 damn goal of which the refs f***ed us. It sucked we had to play Tampa in the first round but if you wanna win you gotta get through the tough teams.

The leafs are young and only getting better each year. Relax.

Mario was drafted in 1984 and didn't win the cup til 91. Ovechkin? he took longer. Nobody wins the damn thing right away. It just doesn't happen.

Dubas is fine. And unless you can tell me who you would replace him with that's available this is a dead convo.

I've said it multiple times, Dean Lombardi. I would've brought in Rutherford before Vancouver got him too

 

[GoonieFace]

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Losers are losers

 

[ShaneFalco]

The leafs are young and only getting better each year. Relax.

Hello 3-4 years ago. They have gone out in the first round for 6 years and they're only getting better? Wow
And relax? Cuz we're just so impatient after decades of failure

 

[DarkKnight]

What are the advanced stats on teams making it to the finals after beating the leafs at pond hockey in the first round?

There’s a reason they haven’t made Moneypuck yet.

 

[Pi]

Love how all the Leaf haters know what's best for the team. If Dubas is bad, wouldn't you want him to be in charge forever?

I think we're good with keeping him. The Leafs play in a tough division but it won't be that way forever, In 2-3 years, they are going to be the top dogs of the Atlantic and they will then get the easy path to the second, third rounds like teams in the West enjoy right now.

You don't fire your GM or blow your team up because they lost by one goal in a series that was close against the back to back champs. They made Tampa look ordinary. If not for the refs gifting Tampa a 5 on 3 with their season on the line, they are in the ECF right now instead of Tampa. There is a fine line between winning and losing in hockey.

 

[EGL22]

I get a kick out of all the Dubas lovers that are still dining out on the Lou/Marleau contract but still look the other way at Dubas's mess.

His ineptitude at cap mangement was the reason that contract cost him a 1st rd pick.

He signed JT after asking,yes asking,his big 3 if they were okay with it,solid leadership right there consulting his emplyees.

He fights with Nylander for 4 months and then gives him everything he wanted and even no penalty of lost salary for the 2 months he missed which made him look really weak and spineless.

Nylander shows the way and Matthews owns Dubas and dictates eveything in his contract including top dollar,short term and a NMC in his last year.

Marner destroys him with a brutal contract where he too gets everything he wanted and agents everywhere are laughing at our so called leader and vote him their absolute favourite GM.

But yes continue to rake Lou over the coals over Marleau and look the other way on all of the contracts Dubas screwed up and also the fact that Dubas caused his own grief on Marleau's contract and not Lou.

Dubas should have been fired after last years embarrassment and instead Leaf fans are once again the butt of all the other teams jokes.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Dubasites are loyal to a fault.

Like him