How many first round loses is Dubas allowed before he should be fired?

[ShaneFalco]

The Leafs showed they have a top defense again this year.

And it begins

 

[DarkKnight]

Sorry if you parade around the forum all year with a Dubas avatar telling everyone how elite we are take your lumps when you're wrong yet again

Remember when Ceci Barrie Holl and Marincin were on our D and we were arrogantly told it was better than average, you could win a cup with it. I mean….

I will say, this year‘s D was the best we’ve had in awhile.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Remember when Ceci Barrie Holl and Marincin were on our D and we were arrogantly told it was better than average, you could win a cup with it. I mean….

I will say, this year‘s D was the best we’ve had in awhile.

Absolutely was. Not sure where are next year with Muzzin slowing down

 

[DarkKnight]

Absolutely was. Not sure where are next year with Muzzin slowing down

Expect Lil to improve further and Sandin as well. I keep Boosh too. I actually don’t mind our D but Muzzin was really valuable this playoffs. The cupboard is pretty bare though.

 

[sxvnert]

However many until Matthews bolts. Its clear (again) that ownership is content with first round losses.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Who did better in the playoffs, us or Florida? Does beating a weak Washington team before getting smoked 4-0 with embarassing scores make you feel better than a competitive series with the same team?

 

[DarkKnight]

Who did better in the playoffs, us or Florida? Does beating a weak Washington team before getting smoked 4-0 with embarassing scores make you feel better than a competitive series with the same team?

What a terrible way to rationalize another first round exit.

 

[EGL22]

However many until Matthews bolts. Its clear (again) that ownership is content with first round losses.

Ownership does not care that much about the cup because the team rakes in the cash no matter what and that is all that counts.

The way Dubas has wasted the elite Matthews years is a disgrace.

 

[Martin Skoula]

What a terrible way to rationalize another first round exit.

I'm not rationalizing anything lol, the OP is stupid. If we were in Florida's position the team wouldn't be any better and we wouldn't be any closer to a cup just because we beat a weak team and then got swept, but we'd satisfy the OP's conditions of moving on a round. It changes nothing.

 

[DarkKnight]

I'm not rationalizing anything lol, the OP is stupid. If we were in Florida's position the team wouldn't be any better and we wouldn't be any closer to a cup just because we beat a weak team and then got swept, but we'd satisfy the OP's conditions of moving on a round. It changes nothing.

I never thought Florida was a serious Cup contender, despite their regular season. Who cares what they’re doing and it has zero to do with us losing again. Yes, Leaf fans would rather have won a round and actually had a few days to taste a rare success, don’t be obtuse.

 

[ACC1224]

Ownership does not care that much about the cup because the team rakes in the cash no matter what and that is all that counts.

The way Dubas has wasted the elite Matthews years is a disgrace.

How much cash did they make during the second round?

 

[ShaneFalco]

I'm not rationalizing anything lol, the OP is stupid. If we were in Florida's position the team wouldn't be any better and we wouldn't be any closer to a cup just because we beat a weak team and then got swept, but we'd satisfy the OP's conditions of moving on a round. It changes nothing.

At least with winning a round theres something to build on and it inspires confidence
Man this site is hard to use on my iPhone

 

[EGL22]

Any other organization would have cleaned house 2 years ago after losing a ton of playoff revenue.

MLSE loves Dubas because he is good with the media and is considered highly progressive with hires putting women in places of importance which also scores huge points.

Get more violence out of sports also love him because he loves Euro style hockey and frowns on Canadian style sandpaper crash and bash hockey and is against any fighting.

How much cash did they make during the second round?

What I am saying is the Leafs rake it in like no other teams so are not dependent on playoff revenue.
Many others teams need every cent they can get from the playoffs and it is their main source or profit.

 

[DarkKnight]

Any other organization would have cleaned house 2 years ago after losing a ton of playoff revenue.

MLSE loves Dubas because he is good with the media and is considered highly progressive with hires putting women in places of importance which also scores huge points.

Get more violence out of sports also love him because he loves Euro style hockey and frowns on Canadian style sandpaper crash and bash hockey and is against any fighting.


What I am saying is the Leafs rake it in like no other teams so are not dependent on playoff revenue.
Many others teams need every scent they can get from the playoffs and it is their main source or profit.

I honestly think his chief asset is his relationship with the media, anyone else and they’d be calling for Dubas’ head but he’s a real charmer there. Communication is our GM’s greatest trait.

 

[ACC1224]

Any other organization would have cleaned house 2 years ago after losing a ton of playoff revenue.

MLSE loves Dubas because he is good with the media and is considered highly progressive with hires putting women in places of importance which also scores huge points.

Get more violence out of sports also love him because he loves Euro style hockey and frowns on Canadian style sandpaper crash and bash hockey and is against any fighting.


What I am saying is the Leafs rake it in like no other teams so are not dependent on playoff revenue.
Many others teams need every scent they can get from the playoffs and it is their main source or profit.

Any business that makes money would love to make more money. Why wouldn’t they? Makes no sense.

 

[EGL22]

Any business that makes money would love to make more money. Why wouldn’t they? Makes no sense.

That is my point,they have kept Dubas despite losing a ton of playoff revenue and so they are not worried about the money.
Other teams are much more about the money and he would have been long gone because of that.

 

[ShaneFalco]

That is my point,they have kept Dubas despite losing a ton of playoff revenue and so they are not worried about the money.
Other teams are much more about the money and he would have been long gone because of that.

Sad but true

 

[Martin Skoula]

At least with winning a round theres something to build on and it inspires confidence
Man this site is hard to use on my iPhone

I'd rather go toe to toe with the best team in the league and lose by a goal than beat a depleted bubble team and then get swept in embarassing fashion as soon as we face a serious contender.

What confidence has been inspired in Florida, what's there to build on here? They look like an AHL team compared to Tampa, it's clear their roster isn't competitive without major changes they can no longer afford to make because they are about to enter cap hell with no picks.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I'd rather go toe to toe with the best team in the league and lose by a goal than beat a depleted bubble team and then get swept in embarassing fashion as soon as we face a serious contender.

What confidence has been inspired in Florida, what's there to build on here? They look like an AHL team compared to Tampa, it's clear their roster isn't competitive without major changes they can no longer afford to make because they are about to enter cap hell with no picks.

Don't care about other teams and don't make excuses about why we lost or our opponents stature. Upsets happen all the time just never with the Leafs

 

[GojuLeaf]

Yes, but the difference is Tampa wins those games and Leafs find a way to lose them. Bottom line, I want to see a winner I don't care who the GM is or who the coach is or who the players are.

There is no buying a contender anymore. How do you build a competitive team?

This is a serious question, are you willing to wait through 5+ seasons of no playoffs to get a chance to be a team that is maybe a little bit better than this team, but just as likely could be worse?

Saying this team has no chance in any given year is disingenuous as it is.

 

[ACC1224]

That is my point,they have kept Dubas despite losing a ton of playoff revenue and so they are not worried about the money.
Other teams are much more about the money and he would have been long gone because of that.

More likely they don’t fault Dubas for the losses. They had no trouble paying off Babcock to go away when it was apparent he was a problem.

 

[EGL22]

More likely they don’t fault Dubas for the losses. They had no trouble paying off Babcock to go away when it was apparent he was a problem.

I really don't think they care too much and leave it all totally in Shanahan's decision.
Another failure next year and it will be clean out the house time and both will be gone.

I do wonder what they consider another failure but for me anything less than a final 4 would be bye bye time.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

That’s what we said last season

You're right, but I think at some point there's a breaking point. If we saw what happened last year with Montreal this year I think some drastic changes would have been made. Playing a tough series bought them one last year.

Also I thought only Dubas might get fired this year as he burned his fire a coach card early and he really put his career on the line with this core. However, now it looks like Shanny is betting his time with the Leafs on Dubas. That's why I'm thinking this year more than any has a legitimate chance of seeing the front office cleared out if we don't do anything of significance next year.

 

[Racer88]

Yes, but the difference is Tampa wins those games and Leafs find a way to lose them. Bottom line, I want to see a winner I don't care who the GM is or who the coach is or who the players are.

I agree 100%. All we here are excuse how we almost won…….but the ending remains the same

 

[Gary Nylund]

You're right, but I think at some point there's a breaking point. If we saw what happened last year with Montreal this year I think some drastic changes would have been made. Playing a tough series bought them one last year.

Also I thought only Dubas might get fired this year as he burned his fire a coach card early and he really put his career on the line with this core. However, now it looks like Shanny is betting his time with the Leafs on Dubas. That's why I'm thinking this year more than any has a legitimate chance of seeing the front office cleared out if we don't do anything of significance next year.

Last year making changes would have seemed somewhat logical. This year though, after what was the best regular season in team history and coming within an inch of beating the powerhouse TB team in the playoffs, the optics are much different. If they stuck with Dubas last year, there's no reason to expect them not to stick with him this year. Of course the simpletons will scream about how it's just another 1st round exit as if they're all the same but whatever.