How high would you rank this hypothetical player all time?
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DitchMarner
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Wouldn't a player that good win more than a single Ted Lindsay?
If he didn't, that might turn some people off, along with his lack of longevity. There would be talk that he scored a lot but didn't play "winning hockey" (despite the two Cups) and his peers recognized that and held other players in higher regard.
Not saying such talk would be sensible, but it would exist.
If he didn't, that might turn some people off, along with his lack of longevity. There would be talk that he scored a lot but didn't play "winning hockey" (despite the two Cups) and his peers recognized that and held other players in higher regard.
Not saying such talk would be sensible, but it would exist.
WalterLundy
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That’s a good observation and good question to ask given all of this. The hypothetical player here is great but there is a reason the 1 Ted Lindsay doesn’t match the 6 Harts. This player only plays 7 seasons worth of games and nearly 4 full postseasons worth of playoff games yet has these statistics and resume.
The reason is because this isn’t just a hypothetical player but rather just the difference between Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux’s career statistics and certain accomplishments that wouldn’t give it away. I’ve always been curious about what it would look like on paper and finally got around to it today. You went at it from an approach with no knowledge of that and it’s on me. I should have put this in the poll description.
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tarheelhockey
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Is he mid-career and still adding? Or is this his career total after some catastrophic injury at like 26 or so?
In any case, 6 Hart trophies would be laps around everyone other than Gretzky and Howe. But there’s something weird about him only being a 1st team all star at his position 3 times — meaning three times he was the Hart winner but not the best player at his own position? And likewise, only won 1 Lindsay award in the processs?
Similarly — two playoff scoring leads and 4 Stanley Cups for a player of this caliber, but no Conn Smythe?
The Harts alone would suggest this guy is easily a Big Five type of player and challenging Gretzky/Orr as a common choice for GOAT. But there are some weird smoke signals around his award record, suggesting maybe he’s poaching cheap points from a firewagon offense or something? It’s hard to read. But absent any other information, I’d say he’s a top-3 player based on his scoring and Harts.
In any case, 6 Hart trophies would be laps around everyone other than Gretzky and Howe. But there’s something weird about him only being a 1st team all star at his position 3 times — meaning three times he was the Hart winner but not the best player at his own position? And likewise, only won 1 Lindsay award in the processs?
Similarly — two playoff scoring leads and 4 Stanley Cups for a player of this caliber, but no Conn Smythe?
The Harts alone would suggest this guy is easily a Big Five type of player and challenging Gretzky/Orr as a common choice for GOAT. But there are some weird smoke signals around his award record, suggesting maybe he’s poaching cheap points from a firewagon offense or something? It’s hard to read. But absent any other information, I’d say he’s a top-3 player based on his scoring and Harts.
