How good was Neal Broten?

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Looking back, he's arguably the player with the best NHL career from that 1980 Miracle On Ice roster.

He was a bit undersized at 5'9" and 170 lbs (possibly smaller than that), but managed one of the most impressive rookie seasons of all-time and was one of the most productive Devils on that '95 championship team.
 
Kismet! I was just thinking about Neal Broten yesterday, and wanted to ask about him also.

I did see him play a bit in the back-half of his career. He was fast and shifty and could handle the biscuit, but in my memory his hockey IQ maybe wasn't quite elite enough to be a real top player.

One odd thing about him is his peaks and valleys as a scorer. For example, 89 points in 1983-84, then 56 (and a -18) the next. Yeah I know Minnesota as a whole slid in the standings, but still. Then he scores 105 points the very next season! How do ya figure...?

I know Mike Modano thought highly of Broten, although he only played with him for a couple of his late-prime seasons.

Broten also took on heavyweight champ Gretzky in maybe Wayne's only "real" fight:
 
He is of historical significance if for nothing else having the best career, and being arguably the best player out of that Miracle on Ice class. He was very young then though and was not the most vital part of those upsets.
 
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Arguably he was the best player (skater as opposed to a goalie of whom there are a few to pick from) to have ever come out of Minnesota (2 brothers who also played)... I'd classify him as a "Tier II Star", understated.
 
Did have a lot of peaks and valleys; the first dip in 84-85 was during that lost North Stars season when a general malaise appeared to set in over the whole team, which was widely viewed as full of underachievers and whiners. The dip a few seasons later was largely due to shoulder injuries, which all started after a hit against the Red Wings in the '86-'87 season.

He was a much different player than Bobby Smith; Smith was not even remotely in Broten's league in terms of skating ability, but Smith was about twice his size so it sort of evens out.
 
maybe doug weight is a fair comparison? one really big statistical spike year, bunch of very good years, never really considered a top tier center, late career cup where he scored a lot more than most of us remember?

but neal broten's rookie year, man what a tough field. super tight between him (98 points), pederson (92 points but a year and a half younger), and fuhr (already the 2nd best goalie in the league, according to vezina and AST voting). all three of them of course are way behind 18 year old dale hawerchuk and his record breaking 103 point season. in what other year does broten's rookie season not even finish top three? '93 and '06 probably, but after those?
 
maybe doug weight is a fair comparison? one really big statistical spike year, bunch of very good years, never really considered a top tier center, late career cup where he scored a lot more than most of us remember?

but neal broten's rookie year, man what a tough field. super tight between him (98 points), pederson (92 points but a year and a half younger), and fuhr (already the 2nd best goalie in the league, according to vezina and AST voting). all three of them of course are way behind 18 year old dale hawerchuk and his record breaking 103 point season. in what other year does broten's rookie season not even finish top three? '93 and '06 probably, but after those?

I see him as closer to Scott Gomez without the somewhat early fall experienced by the latter than to Doug Weight.
 
Gomez ? Wow, I remember Broten to be in a different league than him. He was a good scorer. Over 100 points one year and 98 another year. He did this back in the days when it was a whole lot tougher for little guys to excell in the league.
 
Gomez ? Wow, I remember Broten to be in a different league than him. He was a good scorer. Over 100 points one year and 98 another year. He did this back in the days when it was a whole lot tougher for little guys to excell in the league.

Little guys like Denis Savard and Marcel Dionne?
 
Gomez ? Wow, I remember Broten to be in a different league than him. He was a good scorer. Over 100 points one year and 98 another year. He did this back in the days when it was a whole lot tougher for little guys to excell in the league.

Was Broten's best season that much better than Gomez's best season?

As for size, how significantly different were Broten and Savard on that front?

I suggest you might be slightly underrating Gomez, too.
 
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re: broten and gomez, who were broten's linemates early on when he had his best seasons? looking at teammate +/- i am guessing tom mccarthy was one.

i know later on broten often centered ciccarelli and bellows, i.e., a guy who was better than him, and a guy who was probably his equal.

whereas in gomez's best years, that's patrik elias carrying the load ('04 and '06), and earlier alex mogilny (the calder year).

my gut tells me broten could do more on his own than gomez, but i'm not super certain of that. MXD you might be right that he wasn't quite as good as doug weight though...
 
Was Broten's best season that much better than Gomez's best season?

As for size, how significantly different were Broten and Savard on that front?

I suggest you might be slightly underrating Gomez, too.

Well Broten has 9th and 14th place points finishes whereas Gomez' highest was 20th. I think Broten was also better at making those around him better. Gomez was an odd player in that his assist totals made him seem like a playmaker, but he wasn't actually a great passer. He created plays with his speed and puck carrying ability. Broten also developed into a pretty good defensive player. I don't think he was as good as Weight, but probably somewhere between him and Gomez
 
re: broten and gomez, who were broten's linemates early on when he had his best seasons? looking at teammate +/- i am guessing tom mccarthy was one.

i know later on broten often centered ciccarelli and bellows, i.e., a guy who was better than him, and a guy who was probably his equal.

Broten centered Ciccarelli and McCarthy for a bit, then Ciccarelli and Bjugstad. The latter line holds the franchise record for most goals and points by a line, 116 goals and 270 combined points. That was the season Broten became the first US born player to post 100 points (105), 1985-86.

I can see comparing Broten and Gomez as far as stature and the way they looked on the ice, but I'd say Broten was the more complete player, the more talented player, and certainly the better player.
 
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I thought Broten was only as good as he wanted to be. I thought the guy had unlimited ability but I got the impression he only dialed it up when he wanted too. I always use Doug Gilmore as the comparison. Broten probably had more natural gifted talent than Gilmore but Gilmore was by far the superior player because he was always so driven and intense. Gilmore always came to play. Couldn't say that about Broten.
 
Was Broten's best season that much better than Gomez's best season?

As for size, how significantly different were Broten and Savard on that front?

I suggest you might be slightly underrating Gomez, too.

Could be underestimating Gomez a bit. But i was in know way comparing Broten to Savard. Small guys definitely had it tougher back in the clutch and grab days.
 
Neal Broten was an excellent Minnesota North Star. More than that, Broten was one of, if not the most decorated Minnesota-born player ever. Was probably my favorite North Star when I was growing up

Three State High School Hockey Tournament Appearances
Scored GWG in 1979 NCAA Championship Game
1980 Gold Medalist
1981 U of M NCAA Hockey Champions
1981 Hobey Baker Award Winner (Inaugural recipient)
1995 Stanley Cup Winner with New Jersey
As mentioned above, fought Gretz

From my standpoint, I would probably guess he's a bit underrated outside of Minnesota. But here in Minny, he's a bona fide legend, and deservedly so.
 
He is of historical significance if for nothing else having the best career, and being arguably the best player out of that Miracle on Ice class. He was very young then though and was not the most vital part of those upsets.

You'd have to say Ken Morrow's career was better, wouldn't you? I'd agree that Broten was probably the most talented of the bunch though.
 
Neal Broten was an excellent Minnesota North Star. More than that, Broten was one of, if not the most decorated Minnesota-born player ever. Was probably my favorite North Star when I was growing up

Three State High School Hockey Tournament Appearances
Scored GWG in 1979 NCAA Championship Game

That GWG remains the best college goal I've ever seen in a clutch situation like that. The clips don't do it justice because the beginning of the play is cut off, but this gives an idea of the sheer determination going through a defenseman and over a goalie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FIqU387ycU
 
You'd have to say Ken Morrow's career was better, wouldn't you? I'd agree that Broten was probably the most talented of the bunch though.
As Morrow and Broten are about as polar-opposite type players as you can get, it's pretty tricky to compare the two on almost any level. Sure, Morrow won 4 Cups, but the team he was on was far superior to almost every team Broten was ever on.

Broten came 1 regular season game short of playing in twice as many as Morrow did, and Neal played 8 more playoff games. Here's how I see it:

Two very, very good players. Broten was an ultra-talented, but diminutive playmaker. Morrow as a rock-solid, stay-at home defenseman. Neither's career needs to take a backseat to the other's. Both excellent players that brought entirely different skillsets to the table, and I'd take either of them on my team eight days a week.
 
Great skater and play-maker. He was also fairly responsible defensively on teams that weren't exactly the best when it came to defense (The early-to-mid 1980s North Stars).

Obviously, the knock on him was his size at 5'9" and 170 lbs but he played much larger than that. I never recall his size being much of a detriment to his playing style though. He was also one of those guys who almost always seemed to elevate his game in the postseason, too.

As others have already mentioned, his career was filled with peaks and valleys. Part of this was the product of injuries and playing on some poor teams, but it was also the result of having to reinvent his game so he could stay in the league for over 16 seasons.

His first full five seasons in the league were tremendous from an offensive standpoint (okay, 1984-85 was a letdown but the North Stars as a whole had an off year then). A nagging shoulder injury really threw his career off the rails from 1986-1988, but he returned to form from 1988-1991 where he may not have been the offensive force he once was, but his two-way game was excellent. In his last two years in Minnesota, it looked like his career was winding down as his offensive game appeared to have completely deserted him. With that said, he was one of their most reliable defensive players in 1992-93 after a fairly disappointing 1991-92 campaign.

He was not happy about leaving Minnesota for Dallas, but his first year in Texas was his best statistical season since 1990-91. The Stars declined in their sophomore season in Dallas and so did Broten until he was dealt to the New Jersey Devils. In New Jersey, Broten experienced a career renaissance as he played a couple clips under a point-a-game in the regular season then was one of the Devils best players en route to a Stanley Cup.

That was really his last great moment, though, as the following year his offensive game dried up and the Devils missed the playoffs. His final NHL season was a turbulent one, as he went from New Jersey to Los Angeles then back to Dallas. A return to big D appeared to work wonders as he played much better than he had in the last year-and-a-half. However, the Stars only used him sparingly in the playoffs and when he couldn't find another team to catch on with in the 1997 off-season, he finally called it a career.

Broten himself says he was a good player but never a great player. I think he is being a bit modest. True, he was never the best player at his position at any specific time in the NHL, but there were certainly times where he was great. Being the first American-born NHL player to hit the 100-point plateau must count for something. His performance during the 1991 and 1995 playoff runs he was a part of were both great as well. His 1991 performance in particular is often overlooked, especially in the opening round against Chicago and the finals against Pittsburgh.

Mind you, he's always been one of my favourite players, so I may be a bit biased.
 
Biggest missing piece on the 1995 Devils before the trade deadline was lack of a passable #1 C, which Broten solved. They probably finish higher than 5th in the regular season if they started the year with Broten.

Definitely a better rounded player than Gomez, if nothing else.
 

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