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How Good Are the 2013-14 Rangers (Part II)

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I know this is bad to say, but If they missed the playoffs this year, they get to keep their 1st round pick, have a slim chance at the lottery and maybe FINALLY some front office changes get made. Not very likely though.
 
KirkAlbuquerque said:
I know this is bad to say, but If they missed the playoffs this year, they get to keep their 1st round pick, have a slim chance at the lottery and maybe FINALLY some front office changes get made. Not very likely though.
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Isn't this wrong? If they miss the playoffs they get a second?
 
we give up our 2nd if we do not make the Conference Finals.

We give up our 1st adn keep the 2nd if we DO make the Conference Finals.

We still pay out the 2nd if we miss out on the PO's

and I believe if Callahan resigns with TB we get a 2nd in 2015
 
I know that this flies in the face of being a fan, but the only thing that I think would prompt changes is if they really **** the bed and lost 13 of the next 15 while Callahan scores 10 goals and 17 points down the stretch.

This trade has to REALLY back fire for Dolan to look at Sather in a different light and get the wheels in motion for a removal.

don't think it will happen.

I agree with the poster above. we'll go 7-7-1 and get curb stomped in the 1st round
 
pld459666 said:
I know that this flies in the face of being a fan, but the only thing that I think would prompt changes is if they really **** the bed and lost 13 of the next 15 while Callahan scores 10 goals and 17 points down the stretch.

This trade has to REALLY back fire for Dolan to look at Sather in a different light and get the wheels in motion for a removal.

don't think it will happen.

I agree with the poster above. we'll go 7-7-1 and get curb stomped in the 1st round
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There is no way Dolan fires Sather. Sather will leave on his own terms. I think its a matter of match ups with this team. Teams that play that heavy brand of hockey will curb stomp the Rangers.

Teams that are on the soft skilled side will lose to the Rangers. The Rangers are now a puck possession team, but when they have to battle along the boards to get possession of the puck then you can expect a losing cause.

Like the John Moore pass to Nash for Neiderreiter goal last night was a perfect example of two CLB softies not wanting to take a hit to make a play, and it resulted in a high slot turnover.

Lundqvist can't do anything on those plays.

Moore needed to eat a body check and engage in a board battle to avoid a turnover but he doesn't do that. Nash was looking to avoid contact rather than protecting the puck. Then a simple pokecheck later... boom it's in the back of the net.
 
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So if teams are dynamic and change, isn't the question being answered here, how good are the Rangers when they are playing their best, when they are fully healthy? Not, how good are the Rangers under all circumstances?
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That is a fair question. Health is certainly a big factor (as are all things that affect the roster) but I don't see it as a matter of "best" or "worst" so much as its a matter of gauging what you are likely to get from the team that is likely to take the ice. If that makes sense.

For instance if we were to take a look at the defense going in the playoffs, would looking at the whole 82 game season give us a better idea than looking at the 30 games Klein played instead of Del Zotto? Or looking at how the defense performed against top teams or against a specific opponent?

You're never going to get a perfect or even close to perfect read on anything, but if you add context I think its better than "Derp I'm just gonna look at the 82 games as a whole because you are what you eat" argument.

But that is just my opinion. Some people will dive deep into advanced stats, looking at situational possession and shooting percentage to see if the team is under/over performing. Others will just watch the games. To each their own.

My only issue is the "positive news is not welcome on this site" concept. I have zero doubt that if the numbers pointed the other way, as they OFTEN do in Rangerland, no one would have issues with it. I find it funny when people write "I dont need numbers to tell me anything, I know the Rangers are awful". Well I don't need posters writing how awful Sather is, I've been following his sad tenure as GM for 14 years, but it doesn't stop some people from turning every thread into that discussion.
 
I don't know why people keep saying "maybe win 1 playoff series at best". We made it to the ECF and finished first in our conference with a team that wasn't nearly as talented. Boston could give us trouble but the other Eastern teams all have flaws. Considering that we might not even have to go through Boston to make the finals, our chances to make the SC are higher than most pessimists will admit. I'm not saying a run to the Stanley Cup is likely to happen because it's not (it's not for any single team). I'm not saying that we're the best team in our league/conference/division (we're not but it's also not necessary to be the best team to make a playoff run). What I'm saying is that we have a great defense/goaltending situation as well as a variety of scoring options. Hank, if hot, gives a chance to beat ANY team.

Instead of accepting the probable (every team except one will "fail" to win the cup this season), why don't we hope for the possible? What's the point of constant negativity (seriously, there was just as much negativity during parts of the 2011-12 season too).
 
Here's the East's playoff odds from Sportclub stats:

Boston 100.0
Pittsburgh 100.0
Tampa Bay 96.8
Toronto 89.7
Montreal 85.9
Columbus 78.0
NY Rangers 69.9
New Jersey 58.8
Philadelphia 58.5
Detroit 39.6
Ottawa 11.8
Washington 6.6
Carolina 4.4
NY Islanders 0.0
Florida 0.0
Buffalo Out

Yes, the Rangers can miss the playoffs. That can be said of everyone else but the Bruins, Penguins and (likely) Lightning.

And I do want clarification on one thing: If the Rangers are a large step below the top dawgz in the East, why isn't their inconsistency viewed as a good thing? Wouldn't such a team have a better shot with pronounced peaks and valleys in their performance.
 
Callahan Auto said:
I don't know why people keep saying "maybe win 1 playoff series at best". We made it to the ECF and finished first in our conference with a team that wasn't nearly as talented. Boston could give us trouble but the other Eastern teams all have flaws. Considering that we might not even have to go through Boston to make the finals, our chances to make the SC are higher than most pessimists will admit. I'm not saying a run to the Stanley Cup is likely to happen because it's not (it's not for any single team). I'm not saying that we're the best team in our league/conference/division (we're not but it's also not necessary to be the best team to make a playoff run). What I'm saying is that we have a great defense/goaltending situation as well as a variety of scoring options. Hank, if hot, gives a chance to beat ANY team.

Instead of accepting the probable (every team except one will "fail" to win the cup this season), why don't we hope for the possible? What's the point of constant negativity (seriously, there was just as much negativity during parts of the 2011-12 season too).
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That's a meh for me. If they are bearish on the Rangers' chances, that's what they should be expressing. There has been many times I was less optimistic than the majority about the team's chances.

I do think there's an area between probable and possible that is ignored by a large section of this board though. And an awareness of this principle results in a "AHA! The Rangers are turrible! See?"
 
They are just fine. Rangers has played well the last 15 games, created a lot of chances but few goals. The match they won yesterday is possibly the worst performance so far this year. They also play well against good teams... Looking forward to the playoffs.
 
I want to find Corsi and put my foot up his ass. I feel like advanced stats are mocking me this year. Out-posses and out-play probably 4 out of 5 teams we play and we're the definition of mediocrity. We're the anti-Leafs. This team is cursed.
 
I think this year is probably an anomaly. They're much better than the record indicates.

Oh well, it happens.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
I want to find Corsi and put my foot up his ass. I feel like advanced stats are mocking me this year. Out-posses and out-play probably 4 out of 5 teams we play and we're the definition of mediocrity. We're the anti-Leafs. This team is cursed.
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You need to embrace the randomness of hockey.

It's not a popular thing to say, but it's the truth. You don't even need to look at advanced stats to see that. Watching the game, the Rangers were all over the Sharks' zone. They scored a goal, there just wasn't any evidence of it (I suppose if they were a better team they would have made better luck for themselves there :sarcasm:).

Now, that would be a lot more re-assuring if there were 43 games left instead of 13, but here we are.
 
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