How can Hockey grow in Asia

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Doing lots of reading recently on the Pyeongchang 2018 Olympics and noticed really interesting tidbits from their bid, one of which was to grow winter sport throughout Asia, a concept which was repeated quite often. Apart from different initiatives to promote winter sports not only in South Korea but the rest of Asia, they will also be completing the torch relay throughout the whole continent.

Now I'm not sure if this is the right forum to post this but would be nice to have solid conversations of what can be done to grow the game of Hockey in Asia (KHL expansion, NHL games, International Tournaments etc...) so one day there might be a Team China or South Korea competing for Hockey supremacy. And also started this since the International tournaments forum has become nothing more than Canadians gloating, hopefully this can create a viable discussion. :nod:
 
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Having a KHL team in Tokyo or Seoul would help. It would be similar to the NHL expanding into Florida and Texas.


The simplest answer is more money for more rinks and more equipment for kids.
 
An Asian player they can rally for would be a start, kind of like a Jeremy Lin.

Paul Kariya?

My Asian experience is limited to China with a tiny bit of South Korea. While infrastructure is definitely essential, I really can't see hockey taking off any time soon in Asia. Hockey is a difficult sport to grow. It still only has significant popularity in countries with extended winter seasons (not found in Asia). It is also very expensive, which is an issue for a developing country (not all Asian countries, but some).

I think that the culture surrounding sport is also a barrier. In my experience, parents (and definitely grandparents.......)in China or South Korea (at least) will be very unlikely to support their children in spending a lot of time on sports. It's just not part of the culture in the way that it is in North America or Europe. Importantly, unlike soccer or basketball, hockey is almost possible for a child to participate in without a parents assistance, both for learning and for equipment. It will be difficult to grow the game if very few people have ever played it.
 
Spend large amounts of money buying skates, sticks, goalie masks, ice rinks, etc. for kids in Japan and Korea. The main barrier to entry in hockey is equipment cost and the need for ice.
 
I think Asia league was a step to the right direction and hockey is generally growing in Japan, Korea and China. Pretty sure KHL team in those countries would do more harm than good, can't really see what the pros of having it would be.
 
Spend large amounts of money buying skates, sticks, goalie masks, ice rinks, etc. for kids in Japan and Korea. The main barrier to entry in hockey is equipment cost and the need for ice.

The main barrier in Japan isn't necessarily the cost of those things, it's the availability (though in the case of goalie gear, it's definitely both). I helped coach a youth team on the Sea of Japan coast (Toyooka/Kinosaki), and the closest place to find a selection of sticks/gear/etc was Osaka (2.5-3 hours away by car or express train). Skates, old and crappy though they might be by our standards, definitely aren't in short supply over there. There aren't a lot of dedicated rinks outside major urban centres (think Osaka, Kobe, Nagoya, Tokyo), but there are plenty of places with public pools that convert them to skating rinks (typically with boards at least) in places with winter (like my town). More people might play if it was cheaper, but the cost isn't actually super prohibitive to families with a kid who's interested (surprising amount of disposable income tucked away in futons all around Japan, btw). It's about whether or not there's enough excuse to either insert it into the kid's roles/responsibilities, or whether it replaces something else and whether the parents would be willing, as opposed to able, to fund it.

The other thing they're lacking is people to show/teach them hockey. They spend so much time in their studies and club activities that it's hard to find time to introduce the game to them. Teachers on the JET Programme (and associated SEAs - Sports Exchange Advisors) like I was seem to be doing the most work, in my experience, when it comes to introducing the game via introducing themselves and their interests (both in school classrooms and adult conversation classes), and then by recruiting friends, etc to play pick-up games when people are available. The only time to really work hockey in there, though, is in between other responsibilities (which the Japanese, perhaps more than any other Asian population in my experience, take very, very seriously). They need very little encouragement to get out and observe/participate in the "weird" things that foreigners get up to over there (we also started one of the largest ultimate frisbee tournaments in Asia in that area - Taj Ultimate - thanks to the overwhelming interest of local/foreign friends, students, etc).

I have two friends who are doctors in Himeji and had never held a hockey stick before (but were decent skaters, as many Japanese are, believe it or not) and by the time I left they were organizing ball hockey tournaments in the summer and everything. That was the result of a couple of English teachers on the JET program working at very much a grass-roots level generating interest and providing the basics; even if it meant 10-11pm pick up games on work nights because that's when everyone was done with daily duties and available to run around for a bit, or able to make the 1 hour drive after work to come out. I also had a student take his interest all the way to playing for a high school team while on homestay in Saskatchewan (against my recommendation... sorry Saskatchewan).

There are a lot of Canadian English teachers in Japan, and I think they're doing more to cultivate interest in hockey than, say, the Olympics, honestly, despite reaching a much smaller audience with a much lower "quality" product. Goes to show that the most important part of generating interest in any sport is having fun with friends while learning and participating.
 
Japan has some winters i believe, the population, money and at least some infrastructure allready in place. They like physical sports and are a collective minded people which could serve team sports well. A KHL team there could start a real boom i would say.
 
Japan has some winters i believe, the population, money and at least some infrastructure allready in place. They like physical sports and are a collective minded people which could serve team sports well. A KHL team there could start a real boom i would say.

This was the part of the endless debate on KHL board about KHL expansion: why the fact that team plays in the KHL should make it popular in the country where hockey isn't popular? I think it was mostly said about Norway and France (Paris) but it obviously applies to the Japan too. Also, KHL franchise in Korea/Japan would be a huge hit to the current infrastructure and to the Asia League. This was also discussed a lot mostly taking Denmark as an example.

Not to mention that these franchises that far east are a real b*tch to the other KHL teams.
 
An Asian player they can rally for would be a start, kind of like a Jeremy Lin.
I've always wondered about that. It makes sense for sure, but aside from Lin there's only ever been one Asian basketball player I've ever heard of. And yet, basketball is hugely popular in China...

But that's kind of an aside. I think that hockey's popularity by having Asian NHL superstars would benefit growth in Asian communities in Canada/USA more than abroad, actually. Although tons of Asian/South Asian kids of both genders play here in Vancouver, not many see it as more than a hobby/pastime, even when they get ridiculously good. There are a few more Indian guys working their way into major junior and getting drafted though, so that's good for diversity.

I think that Asia's growth in hockey won't be tied to the NHL for awhile. I'm not certain a KHL team would help much either, until the infrastructure is there. It's good to raise awareness, but until there's gear and ice to play on, as soon as they see a KHL team or an NHL exhibition and then find that they have to drive 2.5 hours to play, they'll forget and move on.

If the resources ARE there, then they can get right into it. And I don't think money is a problem. China, Japan and Korea are home to very healthy middle and upper classes, despite China having many, many poor people as well.
 
Japan used to be midly competitive at world events so there's that. Also having the NHL at the 2018 Olympics would be a help.
 
Japan has some winters i believe, the population, money and at least some infrastructure allready in place. They like physical sports and are a collective minded people which could serve team sports well. A KHL team there could start a real boom i would say.

Pretty much the entire main island of Honshu sees snow; it's just a matter of how much and for how long. Heck, there's at least one ski hill on Kyushu, and we're talking the same latitude as Los Angeles here. Basically the entire northern half of Japan (from, say, Osaka/Kyoto northward along the banana toward Hokkaido) sees at least as much of a winter as we do in Vancouver/Victoria - even outside of the mountain ranges and the Japanese alps, and especially on the coast (where I got dumped on more in my first year there than my family did that year in Nova Scotia).

Just not enough people yet to teach the game or establish a large enough grass-roots level to feed leagues, develop international stars, and thus "earn" levels of capital/financial investment that we're looking towards here. Look at the spending that was precipitated in baseball as soon as Japan started sending guys like Nomo over to the lucrative land of Major League Baseball. No one talked about Japanese baseball in the immediately preceding era... not even really in Nomo's era. But to see what the Japanese baseball leagues have done since it has become an icon of identity worth investing in, or even soccer since Nakamura landed on Reggina and then Celtic ground... mad potential.
 
I'm not certain a KHL team would help much either...

I'd agree with that. That part of Asia (China, Korea, Japan) fuels itself on competition/struggle within that small group pretty specifically. Politics, soccer, baseball... interest doesn't really get to a fever pitch in Japan unless China or Korea are involved. That's why I think an Asian league, with a bit of maturation, should be the focus for them. Keeping up with/on top of China/Korea - no matter the forum - is an easier sell for Japanese investors than justifying breaking into the KHL, and all the logistical/financial nightmares that could result from that in the short term. Being really, really, uncompetitive would probably be a death nail in the idea at this stage of "infancy", as well.
 
or even soccer since Nakamura landed on Reggina and then Celtic ground... mad potential.

Not even Nakamura but Nakata who was an absolute superstar in Japan and probably still is the biggest sport star there.

But again, has he become so popular because football was popular in Japan or has football become popular because they had Nakata? I'm guessing the former so it doesn't really apply to hockey.
 
Not even Nakamura but Nakata who was an absolute superstar in Japan and probably still is the biggest sport star there.

But again, has he become so popular because football was popular in Japan or has football become popular because they had Nakata? I'm guessing the former so it doesn't really apply to hockey.

Soccer is a particularly interesting case, since the meteoric rise of soccer's interest (particularly in the school club level) is actually widely attributed to manga from the '80s (that interest providing the fertile ground upon which the J-League would ultimately be founded in '93). There had been a national league for some time before that real spike in interest, but between manga and Ihara/Miura/Nakata/Nakamura providing real-life heros in the immediately following '90s (would love to know if any of them were inspired by past players vs the manga of the '80s), the history is pretty plain to see, I guess. The theme, like Canadians who grew up on stories of The Rocket while watching Gretzky, is interest derived from attachment to heros (measured in the media age on a much more global scale).
 
A New Ice Age might help, will get those Asian countries more into winter sports.

It should be pointed out Wang every year invites a couple Japanese and Chinese teams over for a hockey tournament(like 12 year olds)
 
I lived in Incheon, South Korea for 4 years and played recreationally there. I played with more than a few very skilled Korean players. The Yonsei University alumni team is always full of good Korean players and we had great early Sunday morning games with them at MokDong, they beat us many times and a number of the guys on my primarily Cdn English teachers team had played some high level of competitive hockey like myself. There's more interest among talented teens that play for pursuing scholarships in NA and I'd be really keen to see more Asian players in major junior and NCAA hockey.

Soccer and baseball will always be their game of choice, but there is some interest in hockey among youngsters, but in the same way Ohashi said it is for Japan, the gear is extremely pricey (the owner of one of the more successful hockey stores there is Jim Paek, who played and won the cup with Pitt in 1991 I believe) and also there's the fact that many more rural areas outside of Incheon, Seoul, Daejeon, Daegu, and Busan will not have an ice rink or local hockey equipment retailer. We used to go to Halla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anyang_Halla games in Anyang on Saturdays and it is pro hockey APHL. Decent fan turn out most games I guess.

for the 2018 games they're building the arena facility in Mokpo, and the plans for it are supposed to be pretty impressive. They're also building a twin-ice sheet arena facility right now I believe in Incheon near Munhak Stadium.

I hope they are able to field a team for the games, and that Japan and China are able to as well and do so regularly in following games.
 
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I love how hosting the Olympics forces the South Koreans to construct a decent-sized ice hockey arena. Maybe it'll generate something.
 
I love how hosting the Olympics forces the South Koreans to construct a decent-sized ice hockey arena. Maybe it'll generate something.

Gotta start somewhere. I'd love another crazy reason to make another trip back to Korea. It was nice having it less than a two hour flight away, but it's a bit tougher from Halifax...
 
Have the NHL play at the 2018 Olympics.

Was thinking this also.

A lot of fans on here don't think the Olympics has any value or small value rather to increasing hockey popularity. I totally disagree.
 
Do they have an automatic team? Since they are hosting?
That seems unclear. I've heard yes and I've heard no. This comes from various news articles, some a few years old. Not sure how accurate any of them are, but I read one where the South Korean hockey association themselves said they needed to qualify and wouldn't get an automatic berth.

I think that having them make the Olympics would do lots more for growing the game than having the NHL there, actually. If you picked a sport I care nothing about AND know nothing about (let's say rubgy), chances are I won't go see it if it's the best in the world in my backyard for a tourney. If Canada is playing though, then maybe I do. I then gain exposure of seeing the sport, hopefully enjoy it and keep watching the tourney, seeing what the best looks like too.
 
I've always wondered about that. It makes sense for sure, but aside from Lin there's only ever been one Asian basketball player I've ever heard of. And yet, basketball is hugely popular in China...

But that's kind of an aside. I think that hockey's popularity by having Asian NHL superstars would benefit growth in Asian communities in Canada/USA more than abroad, actually. Although tons of Asian/South Asian kids of both genders play here in Vancouver, not many see it as more than a hobby/pastime, even when they get ridiculously good. There are a few more Indian guys working their way into major junior and getting drafted though, so that's good for diversity.

I think that Asia's growth in hockey won't be tied to the NHL for awhile. I'm not certain a KHL team would help much either, until the infrastructure is there. It's good to raise awareness, but until there's gear and ice to play on, as soon as they see a KHL team or an NHL exhibition and then find that they have to drive 2.5 hours to play, they'll forget and move on.

If the resources ARE there, then they can get right into it. And I don't think money is a problem. China, Japan and Korea are home to very healthy middle and upper classes, despite China having many, many poor people as well.

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