BenchBrawl
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HOH Top-70 Pre-Merger Players List & Voting Record - rmartin65
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Thanks for taking the time to post these, @BenchBrawl .
Looking back over my list, I think we can all see I've changed my opinions quite a bit as a result of this project (and I think that is a good thing)!
I think my initial list reflected the same weakness as a lot of others; that is, a lack of inclusion of the early Western players. The unfortunate part about that issue is that we can't correct it during Round 2.
A quick glance at the players of whom I have a noticeably greater opinion of now (unranked)-
Russell Bowie
Paddy Moran
Harvey Pulford
Alf Smith
Jack Walker
Marty Walsh
Dick Irvin
And players who have noticeably slid down my personal list (unranked)-
Cy Denneny
Mike Grant
Tommy Dunderdale
Haviland Routh
Ernie Russell
Rat Westwick
Those are not inclusive lists, just some names that came to mind right away.
Looking back over my list, I think we can all see I've changed my opinions quite a bit as a result of this project (and I think that is a good thing)!
I think my initial list reflected the same weakness as a lot of others; that is, a lack of inclusion of the early Western players. The unfortunate part about that issue is that we can't correct it during Round 2.
A quick glance at the players of whom I have a noticeably greater opinion of now (unranked)-
Russell Bowie
Paddy Moran
Harvey Pulford
Alf Smith
Jack Walker
Marty Walsh
Dick Irvin
And players who have noticeably slid down my personal list (unranked)-
Cy Denneny
Mike Grant
Tommy Dunderdale
Haviland Routh
Ernie Russell
Rat Westwick
Those are not inclusive lists, just some names that came to mind right away.
jigglysquishy
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I stand by my McGee ranking (on a per-game basis, he might actually be my vote for the greatest pre-consolidation player), but I may have been a bit overzealous when it comes to Young. I think the project ended up ranking him in about the right place.
ResilientBeast
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Hugh Lehman at 22? I see he's back to back with Holmes, curious about the rationale ranking the two of them
Hugh Lehman at 22? I see he's back to back with Holmes, curious about the rationale ranking the two of them
I struggled with goalies on my preliminary list; I'm still not entirely sure that I have them figured out, to be honest. So, between my discomfort with ranking goalies and my over-rating of the Nighbor-Sens players (look how high I have Benedict and Denneny, haha, that sure changed), I ended up ranking Lehman lower than I should have. And I'm still a fan of Holmes, but I'd put more space in between the two now.
A little while ago I mentioned that my rankings of these goalies have changed thanks to the project. I'll copy that over here-
That said, of the goalies we did discuss, this project has helped me to really sort them out. If I am looking at the correct version of my preliminary list, I had:
6. Vezina
8. Benedict
22. Lehman
23. Holmes
29. LeSueur
50. Paton
51. Nicholson
58. Moran
62. Hutton
65. Hern
Now I'd probably rank those same 10 players
Vezina
Lehman
Moran
Benedict
Holmes
LeSueur
Hutton
Paton
Nicholson
Hern (who I notice I misspelled Kern on my preliminary, haha, I guess my disrespect runs deep)
Lehman gets bumped up to the number two spot, Moran to number 3, Benedict drops to 4th, and Holmes is there at 5th. And for what it is worth, I think I'd have a couple other goalies (Merritt, Stocking, maybe Collins) toward the bottom of my list. I'm not sure how to rank those guys against Nicholson and Hern right now.
My 2nd round ballot shows how my opinion has increased while Benedict's stock has dropped.
