Hockey Diversity Alliance slams NHL/NHLPA announcement of Player Inclusion Coalition

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[BigEezyE22]

There can only be one diversity initiative.

 

[Viqsi]

I mean, on the one hand, they're probably right, but on the other, I would rather have waited to see if this truly does end up being Business As Usual before calling them out on it. Like, compare HDA results versus PIC results after a year and then point out "hey, we were here first and we actually do shit rather than just serve as a marketing ploy."

 

[surixon]

This would be a non issue if the HDA could form a good working relationship with the NHL but at almost every turn they call the league out for something or other.

 

[Bounces R Way]

 

[tucker3434]

It’s pretty easy to get into a PR mess with this topic, so I understand why the NHL wants to have full control over the message and not just a partner.

 

[Lt Dan]

There can only be one diversity initiative.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Cheaper to keep it in house.

 

[joestevens29]

Seems like the league/pa would get slammed either way.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Cheaper to keep it in house.

Plus, it's way easier to do absolutely nothing and not get called out on it

 

[Xirik]

 

[Fish on The Sand]

It’s pretty easy to get into a PR mess with this topic, so I understand why the NHL wants to have full control over the message and not just a partner.

The league does a good enough job of creating PR messes in this area, they'd be wise to partner up and get out of their own way.

 

[ThisIsMyAlibi]

I don’t doubt that there are players/executives who are progressive in their thinking. But the fact is, the “culture” of hockey is not progressive at all. As in, down to frozen pond games. And corporate moral posturing is almost always interpreted as shrewd business strategy, not “the right thing.”

I don’t think you fix or modernize the culture of a sport from the top down. But, I admit most involved parties are in a lose-lose situation regardless of what they decide.

 

[tny760]

sounds like "you should be paying us not them" sour grapes to me but who knows

 

[bossram]

This would be a non issue if the HDA could form a good working relationship with the NHL but at almost every turn they call the league out for something or other.

The NHL doesn't want to work with the HDA. How are you supposed to address systems racism/bigotry in the NHL...if you're not allowed to identify it?

It's pretty transparent the NHL wants its own D&I initiative for PR purposes, that they can control (and not have to actually do anything).

I'm skeptical that the HDA is making a huge impact, but the NHL-sponsored version will certainly be useless.

 

[Negan4Coach]

“How dare you not bend the knee to our diversity grift and create your own internal initiative to do the same kind of thing! When we conduct a shake-down, we expect to be taken seriously, by God!”

 

[surixon]

The NHL doesn't want to work with the HDA. How are you supposed to address systems racism/bigotry in the NHL...if you're not allowed to identify it?

It's pretty transparent the NHL wants its own D&I initiative for PR purposes, that they can control (and not have to actually do anything).

I'm skeptical that the HDA is making a huge impact, but the NHL-sponsored version will certainly be useless.

You can address it without slamming the league in the paper every time you don't get your way. The NHL originally did try to work with them and they couldn't make it work and now HDA just runs to the press every time the NHL does something they don't like.

You can call attention to change without slagging the org you want to work with every chance you get.

 

[bossram]

You can address it without slamming the league in the paper every time you don't get your way. The NHL originally did try to work with them and they couldn't make it work and now HDA just runs to the press every time the NHL does something they don't like.

You can call attention to change without slagging the org you want to work with every chance you get.

The problems are with the organization. This is like saying you want to fix a car with a broken transmission without fixing or replacing the transmission.

 

[surixon]

The problems are with the organization. This is like saying you want to fix a car with a broken transmission without fixing or replacing the transmission.

We can agree to disagree on this. Teams and the league work with many different orgs to address diversity and inclusion.

They just can't seem to work with this one group. It takes two to make a relationship work. Both parties could do a better job fostering a positive working relationship.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The purity wars of intersectionality.

I'm sure a sticking point is that nothing is ever good enough for activists whose job is dependent on nothing ever being good enough. Does anyone think the HDA gives one flying who knows what about the NHL or hockey as a whole?

 

[LemonSauceD]

“Give us money that we can use improperly and for ourselves!”

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Things will evolve spontaneously with, in particular, the emergence of Asian-American and Hispano-American players from recent immigration. In the Brick Invitational, we see a lot of them.

Just people looking to get high-paying bullshit jobs.

The speech does not take into account a reality: the NHL is a world sports league and not strictly the North American civil society. If the players who win on the ice are Swedes, Czechs or Russians, that's how it is.

These are virtually invisible in organizations. Kekalainen is the only European to be G.M.

The absence of women on the ice is an evidence of nature.

I am afraid that NHL will be forced in a few years to follow the same path as SA Rugby : to apply racist and discriminatory policies in the name of the fight against discrimination.

The double standard with the NBA and the NFL, which are increasingly homogeneous leagues around a minority, and who are presented as examples of diversity is inconsistent too.

 

[dabeechman]

If they truly cared about D&I, they should be happy that there are alternatives to promote their cause.

Causing a PR event just because you weren't picked comes off in poor form.

 

[joestevens29]

Don't see the big deal in having two groups working on one issue. Heck if Hockey Canada wants to start up a committee I'd be in full support of that too

There will be two approaches that hopefully now reach more people.

 

[who_me?]

sounds like "you should be paying us not them" sour grapes to me but who knows

always about money